As my tennis coach used to say. Some days you play badly. Other days you play badly because the opposition made you play badly.
Bit of bucket A and a bit of bucket B.
Post Match Dragons v Warriors - [Round 10, 2025]
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As my tennis coach used to say. Some days you play badly. Other days you play badly because the opposition made you play badly.
Bit of bucket A and a bit of bucket B.
Think Barny played a bit halfs early, he has goal kicked too.
To me it didn't look like an attacking kick, looked like he was trying to hold it up down there end.
But, was symptomatic of a lot of our play yesterday which was surely not done on the training paddock through the week!
Im of a different opinion, i was ok with them taking the 2. I thought it was the right call.
In saying that its quite a good debate and there's pro's and cons either way which you and others have stated.
As always tho it is hard to speculate after the fact what might or might not have have happened, but yeah hindsight as they say. But the fact remains regardless, 2 points ended up being the difference.
For mine tho at that stage of the game if your 12 - 0 up and take the 2 youve just forced the opposition to have to score 3 times, which normally is a mental hurdle most sides struggle with (admittedly not the recent rounds it seems), which usually leads the opposition to take risks or not play the way they've planned which has many times lead to teams capitulating trying to play catch up.
Fair to say tho we saw a big momentum swing to the Dragons but was that really down to not making the opposition make another 6 more tackles (yes u could speculate that we may have scored on that set but u could just as easily speculate we turn the ball over on the next carry?) Or was it down to us maybe getting a bit complacent with the lead and losing focus leading to making errors and giving away penalties?
I tend to suggest its the 2nd thing we need to work on and its those errors compounding on the back of giving up penalties thats turning the ball over causing the fatigue and changing momentum.
First half against the Drag queens we had 5 infringements and 2 errors which turned possession over. 2nd half when the momentum swung that blew out to 7 infringements and 5 errors and in a couple of instances the error was compounded with giving away a penalty a few plays later which gives the opposition a massive roll on which is hard to peg back.
Even coach Webster in the presser alluded to the turnovers being the reason for the momentum shifts, so its good their aware of it. Obviously theres times u keep the pressure on and going for the try is the way to go, but i thought in the times we've decided to take the shot has been the right call by Barney and co.
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I reckon if it's legal and you train for it, it can be as genuine a goer as a 40 20 as if you take it well enough the opposition isn't usually set to defend it. Imagine if we develop a setup for strong wind days. Might be worth it. However I can't see it catching on
It was a terrible play and the only reason it won't end up in the hall of fame of Warriors bad plays is that we won the match.
Hall of Fame/Shame/Plays Wrighty hated the most
1) Lisone Drop goal
2) Chanel's countless missed field goals in extra time over the years. He has never nailed one and his missed at least 5
3) Chanel missing a goober penalty to tie / lose the match vs Raiders last year
4) Patrick Herbert missing 3 Garry Owens in a row with no pressure competing with him. We lost.
5) Patrick Herbert not passing to a ready to rampage David Fafita with 30 seconds left of Titan's only play off match just 5 metres from the try line. OK this has nothing to do with the warriors but he is an ex warrior and it must have scarred Titans fans so it goes on the list.
6) Big Ken being passed the ball with 10 seconds left on the clock with a one on one match up with his opposite numbers and Warriors down by 4 points and needing a try to tie it. Big Ken weighed up his options and decided he wasn't good enough to duke anybody and meekly passed the ball to someone else and we lost.
7) Jazz asserting his authority with a late hit on a half back to show him who was boss. This was before Jazz learned to control himself. Jazz got a sinbin. They scored three times and we lost.
8) You know what Barnett can go on the list. Barnett chip and chase on 4th tackle as a prop with warriors grimly defending a one point lead when no adventurous plays were needed.
9) Tohu harris 2024 -SJ calls for Tohu to do a settler positional hit up just to the right of the posts to set him up for the winning field goal in extra time. Tohu clocks off and puts no effort into his PTB and PTB error occurs and penalty and Warriors tie instead of winning.
10) Should be number one but will list it at ten. Absolutely everything Ed Kosi did or more importantly did not do when we lost 70-10 to Melbourne Storm in the Anzac day massacre.
11) Whichever Warrior, probably Blake Green as they were friends, who invited Cameron Smith into our sheds after the massacre to give us advice on how to play better and improve.
Surely the two point goal taking us more than two converted tries is incentive we need to hold out the fast finishing dragons. It is the safer option -make it more difficult for them to catch us, then kick a field goal to get back in front. They will panic after that as time ticks down to the end
Why does he just walk back into 1st grade, taine can cope better and sooner or later a smart coach will exploit his edge even more.
The rule was if the kick didn't reach the 10m line, then the attacking team got a penalty in front. This discouraged the short kick off. Now the rule has been changed to a tap and six tackles, encouraging the short kick as it becomes 50/50 ball and no automatic penalty if the defensive team fails to regather the ball.
I absolutely agree. By going for the try rather than the guaranteed two points, we risk having the opposition infringe on our playing of the ball, stripping of the ball or being offside. This might not be picked up by the ref or bunker and we would forgone the two points.
Always take the two points. 99% of the time.
Depends really, if it's early in the game and you have all the momentum I'd say tap and keep that pressure on, if it's a seesaw tight affair two points very well could be the difference, also putting it out to where the opposition has to score twice, three times etc pulls the pressure off you and back on them...
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Exactly. Hahahaha
There is no guarantee that he would ice the kick or that we would ice a try.
What I like and I didn't always see this in SJ is a decisive playemaker. Backing himself and winning a game. We need that bloke to back himself and succeed. I like it.
I was following the NRL or Winfield cup as it was when League decided to try Rugby Union Kickers, as I am sure many of the older posters will remember.
Many fans now do not realise that goal kicking was not a priority in Rugby league before the experimental inclusion of the New Zealand Rugby Union kickers in the eighties.
I won't bang on like an old fart, just to say we learned from that history that using your goal kicker is never the wrong option - it changed the entire sport....goal kicking.....everyone takes it seriously now because clubs won championships off it.
Still look back with glee at the time when the Aussies were saying that Halligan and Ridge were stupid buys and that they wouldn't make it in the NRL.....
(Nota bene: Mic Cronin was a kicking great pre the arrival of the Allblacks in the NRL, but he was the exception that proves the rule - fact still stands that Rugby Union taught league about goal kickers - a lesson forgotten by league eighty years after the split).
Barnett used to very famously have brain explosions, normally resulting in time on the sidelines. He has reigned that in massively to where its non existent, but he has a couple in him. He was panicking for around 5-10mins during that period. Pretty sure he gave a pen away as well as a few errant passes.
I think he's just putting the team on his back. Metcalf is inexperienced, Fish is out.
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When it's all falling apart you do as Barney did or you rally your guys and do it together. Lose that game and this and many other in game happenings become way more important hey
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