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Reporter: "just for those watching , EXACTLY HOW MANY children were recovered from that campsite?"

Commissioner: "as I've already said (he said earlier there are aspects of this case we would like to tell you but legally cannot).... we are very, very grateful the children we recovered are safe and well.... šŸ¤”
 

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Reporter: "just for those watching , EXACTLY HOW MANY children were recovered from that campsite?"

Commissioner: "as I've already said (he said earlier there are aspects of this case we would like to tell you but legally cannot).... we are very, very grateful the children we recovered are safe and well.... šŸ¤”
Some of these online rumours are disturbing to say the least, if there's any truth in them they probably should be permanently suppressed for the kids sake.
 

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You would assume the piece of shit father over 4 years would have hammered into the kids that their mother is the devil herself, so that's gunna be a long process.
Stockholm syndrome.

Add in the incompetence of CYFS by another name Oranga Tamariki and we have this terrible victimizing of the mother.

There seems to be a groundswell of hate being generated by these invisible rumor makers, the world never learns. Lindy Chamberlain comes to mind.
 
Some of these online rumours are disturbing to say the least, if there's any truth in them they probably should be permanently suppressed for the kids sake.
A lot of very loud NZ online commentators have come down very swiftly in favour of permanent suppression. Even those that ( i assume due to comments) originally supported the guy. Lots of innuendo but I'm of the opinion its terrible just from their reaction.
 

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Ok so I *think* I’ve found the suppressed details online, reported by a handful of overseas news sources

If correct, it’s not remotely as salacious as what’s been alluded to on here
 
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As I have said in the other crime threads, New Zealand has it's own serial killers, but like every country in the world, before the first big ones are identified, the culture is to deny you have them.

Case and point, Citizen X, the movie about Russian serial killer Andrei Chikatilo.

If you have not seen that film it is one of the best crime movies ever made.

The Russians refused to believe that their society could have the American disease = serial killers....primarily because they (not unlike NZ) refuse to believe their people are like that, and therefore they never look logically at their missing persons stats.

Eight thousand Kiwis are reported missing annually.

Ninety five percent of cases get solved in the first two weeks.

Sounds good right?

Except that leaves over seven hundred cases.

Some will be solved beyond the two week mark, sixty of them will be solved as murder cases.

But the many thousands that are never solved do not get talked about by our Police because what can they do?

The Police are not served well by some random like me pointing out that many hundreds are never found year upon year, meaning thousands in a decade.

Even though we all should be well aware by now that this country has more than one Serial killer operating un detected in any era, and by now we will have dozens.

We are like the Mayor in JAWS, tourism and Safe NZ do not need someone sniffing around into the permanent disappearance of hundreds of people who are never seen again.

Even the cops know we have serial killers, but like I say, what can they do apart from promote the line that they on top of the problem and lie and say we do not have a serial killer problem....even though they know we have....but denying it works.

The sixty solved murders a year should tell you that out of that sixty at least a couple of dozen were not first timers, and maybe in that group the Cops do weed out, you could say at least half a dozen have killed multiple times before they were caught.

If you Google New Zealand serial killers Hayden Poulter comes up (bit of a joke that our only acknowledged serial killer is a clown I used to look after from the nineties).

What are we expected to believe here? that people keep going missing and that serial killers are not a problem...only the one that was caught nearly thirty years ago?

This is while we know serial Killer Travis Burns who the police paid out and gave a secret identity was then allowed to kill another woman....while the cops refuse to admit he had killed before.
The cops will never admit that they were conned into using him as a secret witness in a crime he committed.

Nigel Latter tried to out Travis Burns and I would like to have a chat with him one day about the dozens of other serial killers our cops refuse to acknowledge and therefore allow to continue to make many hundreds of NZ'ders disappear every year, which adds up to thousands of Kiwis per decade.

It is a bloody outrage but there you go, NZ is celebrated for selling itself as some bullshit Pavlova half acre paradise.

This is a country that has children tortured, burnt with cigarettes and beaten to death, yet suckers believe we have no Ted Bundy's here.

I was a cop for 20 years. The missing person stats are terrible on face value. However, they are reported missing, entered into the system then return home. Police never advised or not taken out of the system. I had experience when I took a missing persons report. When I went to enter them they were already there as missing. They were juvenile and no one told the Police when they returned. In saying that there is a lack of follow up and one missing kid is too many. There needs to be dedicated units investigating them, but it will be a frustrating excercise, but that is no reason not to do it. As to the multiple killers. I renember when a murder was big news. This is a societal issue, not just a Police one. From my experience I never heard of a killer being protected but did see dodgy people used as informants so cannot discount it. I will not commrnt further as there is no statute of limitation on the crimes act. However, especially in the current climate the overwhelming majority of cops are decent people doing their best.
 
The BBC did a podcast series on how EncroChat was infiltrated, fascinating story tbh.


What happens when the police crack an encrypted phone network used by thousands of criminals?​

In the summer of 2020, police in France penetrated a supposedly uncrackable phone network called EncroChat. According to police, the encrypted phones were used by 60,000 criminals.​

Suddenly, the police could read millions of messages sent from inside the world of organized crime. It detailed the movements of top tier gangsters in their own words.​

For over two months, police forces across Europe were reading the secret communications of major-league criminal networks.​


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The biggest organised crime bust in British policing history​

DCI Driss Hayoukane, the senior investigating officer who led the Met’s EncroChat operation, said ā€œit was like being in a room with [the criminals] and they are talking freely, and they don't see you there.ā€​

With over 3,000 arrests by forces across the UK, over 1000 convictions, the seizure of Ā£80 million in cash, six tonnes of cocaine and 173 firearms, it was the biggest organised crime bust in British policing history.​

The BBC’s Mobeen Azhar found out how the EncroChat story unfolded and discovered some interesting facts about the case.

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The Met discovered corrupt police officers in their own ranks​

In 2020, the Metropolitan police came across information that one of their own officers was working for a gang involved in wholesale drug trafficking and money laundering.
Met police officer PC Kashif Mahmood had been on the force for ten years and had won five awards for his service.
But police suspected that Mahmood was also secretly working for an organised crime gang, the Khan brothers, in East London.
At first, Mahmood claimed he had been threatened by the criminals and had acted under duress. He said he had not received a financial reward from the Khan gang for helping them steal cash back from money launderers.
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But evidence uncovered in the messages hacked from the EncroChat network, proved otherwise.

It’s the most brazen corruption I’ve seen in my time investigatingā€
DI Andy Smith

DI Andy Smith, an anti-corruption officer working on the case, said ā€œ[EncroChat] gave us the missing pieces of the jigsawā€ which helped get Mahmood convicted.
When messages sent between the Khan brothers and a contact in Dubai mentioned that ā€œKash the Fedā€ had been questioned but that some luxury watches in his flat hadn’t been found by the police, it was the break in the case the Met needed.
ā€œThat clearly demonstrated to us that Kashif Mahmood had benefited financially from the activity that he had been undertaking with the Khans,ā€ said DI Smith.
In the end, Kashif Mahmood was among the first wave of EncroChat arrests made in the summer of 2020. Once he saw all the EncroChat evidence against him, he pleaded guilty. He was given a sentence of eight years in prison.
DI Smith said of the Mahmood case ā€œit’s the most brazen corruption I’ve seen in my time investigatingā€.
Find out more about PC Mahmood's case here in episode 5
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EncroChat phones were really expensive​

The phones had an incredible level of encryption and that didn’t come cheap.
It was designed, really, in my opinion, for criminal useā€
DCI Driss Hayoukane

The phones ā€œcost up to Ā£1500 to get the handset and then you had to pay 14 -15 hundred pounds every six months to keep using itā€, said DCI Driss Hayoukane. ā€œEven if you got into the covert operating system, they had a remote way to wipe that, so getting the messages was difficultā€.
The phones also had a duress PIN code. This meant, if you got arrested you could give the police a particular set of numbers which wiped the phone of any evidence.
ā€œIt was designed, really, in my opinion, for criminal useā€, continued DCI Hayoukane.
This assertion that EncroChat was built with illegal uses in mind formed an important part of the French police’s justification for trying to hack the network.
Find out more about the origin of EncroChat in episode 4
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Criminals in their 20s were using EncroChat to ā€˜fast-track’ themselves​

Most of the users prosecuted from the EncroChat hack were involved in drug trafficking or the violence, gun dealing and money laundering that supports it.
The Met police produced a network chart showing links between EncroChat users in London. It showed a large web of interconnected drug trafficking networks.
Detectives had previously assumed that rival organised crime groups did not work together. The network chart revealed that is not the case. ā€œGroup A will deal with Group B because it's financially beneficial for both,ā€ explains DCI Driss Hayoukane, ā€œthey may have a conflict and that conflict might still be ongoing in the background, but business trumps everything.ā€
The EncroChat hack also unmasked a new, younger generation of drug traffickers.

You don’t have to have done that 20–25-year apprenticeship of being a criminalā€
DCI Driss Hayoukane

Harry Hicks-Samuels, a watch dealer from Denham in Buckinghamshire, was just 27 years old when he was arrested as a result of the Encrochat hack but was already a significant importer of cocaine.
EncroChat provided access to drug trafficking markets.
ā€œYou don’t have to have done that 20–25-year apprenticeship of being a criminal,ā€ said DCI Hayoukane.
ā€œAs long as you’ve got the money, you can go in and start buying kilos of coke... and then you start to move upā€.
 

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This government keeps banging on about how they have lowered the crime rate at every opportunity
This week we have a couple of bus stabbings and a death. A shooting in Papakura. Deaths in jail. Meth use through the roof at an all time high
Police under scrutiny.
And I am not saying that the solution is easy but the government shouldn't be saying that they have it under control or even improved the problem.
 
This government keeps banging on about how they have lowered the crime rate at every opportunity
This week we have a couple of bus stabbings and a death. A shooting in Papakura. Deaths in jail. Meth use through the roof at an all time high
Police under scrutiny.
And I am not saying that the solution is easy but the government shouldn't be saying that they have it under control or even improved the problem.
The solution is easy

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