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Noitall said:
I just don’t see how America are in a better position when their traditional allies in UK and neighbours like Canada are moving closer to their biggest opponents in China and don’t see that’s putting their country in a better position for years to come. I think you’re right that there were concerns around their border under the previous administration and there’s been a view that other countries should contribute more to their defence but I don’t see the world responding to the art of the deal diplomacy anymore where bullying is the tactic. There are too many options with the world making their own pacts behind closed doors
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As a lefty dems suck at messaging.
How they never once bought up the fact Obama deported record numbers without the hateful rhetoric and ostracising of immigrants.

I don't think you will find anyone in here including the far left that thinks there should be open borders. Most of us agree there should be borders and reasonable limits on immigration according to economy /workforce demand etc.
Its the othering/ostracising and dehumanizing of immigrants we have a problem with.
At worst I can see myself being annoyed with policies/governments if illegals/mass immigration started causing major problems in nz but end of the day I still understand exactly why they have come here and don't have any negative feelings towards the individuals even if they are somehow indirectly contributing to the problems.
Usually not there fault and people miss a lot of root causes and go directly to blaming the new immigrant.

I'll give an example, (hopefully my adhd doesn't kick in and I go on a tangent). This is not 100% fact checked and more from my personal experience etc

I'm from Punjab, we make up a good majority of Indian immigrants coming to western countries. Reason behind this from my understanding is majority of us have farmland back home. Up until maybe 20 years ago you could maintain a Somewhat modest lifestyle depending on how much Land you had. Farming income tanked since then. Jobs in Punjab paid fk all unless you were very high level. This is recently changing for the better I've heard and the craze to go overseas isn't so high in the last 2 or 3 years.

Depending on circumstances people would get loans on there homes/land or sell off some of it to pay for agent fees and the crooks (business owners) in Western countries to sponsor them. This can range from 30 to 80k nzd that the owners pocket.
Once here those fuckwit owners rip off the new employees who have no choice as they've just taken on a huge debt to have a better life so can't afford to walk and in some cases their visas are linked to the employer.
As a truckie in my industry this leads to owners taking cheaper contracts as they're still profiting at the employees expense, undercutting and pushing the righteous business owners out and dropping rates industry wide. The new immigrant while getting exploited also has the privilege of being the face of all these problems I listed along with others that wankers like Brian tamaki love to parrot.

Actual example, for a short time a while back I worked for my uncles workmate who owned multiple bread trucks. I was the only citizen. He was generous enough to pay me more then the others but it was still shit pay. He would expect us to work through our unpaid break. And then want to pay set hours for runs even if it takes you longer through no fault of your own (breakdowns at bakery /truck, busy days etc). Later found out he's paying one of the other poor fellas $24 an hour while still shorting him on hours using the above methods. This guy is rich as fuck but just a greedy cunt, 1 of many.

From what I'm hearing this is industry wide practise. If you see a recent immigrant working for a private business/contractor I'd say there's a 75% chance he/she's being exploited to some extent.
The blame for this lands on the business owners and government for allowing these practices to continue. Both nz parties been guilty at different times. They're probably fine with it cause In a way that money to the business owner is getting invested in nz.
This probably explains my disdain for some business owners.
So yea rant over helpfully it gives people some context and insight and wasn't a jumble, not the best writer.

TLDR: immigration has quite badly effected my industry/income over the years , still don't have any ill feelings towards them. Let's show some compassion and not amplify far right racist voices to make your points.
 
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MrFrankWhite said:
Allies are only allies if they are both capable and willing. Otherwise they are dependents
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So push them towards a traditional foe in China? If America stays on this path I.E another republican president next who follows trumps gameplan, I can see China gaining a huge amount of influence and power in the next decade. My prediction is even if a republican wins again he will change track on foreign policy specifically.
 
j_p said:
As a lefty dems suck at messaging.
How they never once bought up the fact Obama deported record numbers without the hateful rhetoric and ostracising of immigrants.

I don't think you will find anyone in here including the far left that thinks there should be open borders. Most of us agree there should be borders and reasonable limits on immigration according to economy /workforce demand etc.
Its the othering/ostracising and dehumanizing of immigrants we have a problem with.
At worst I can see myself being annoyed with policies/governments if illegals/mass immigration started causing major problems in nz but end of the day I still understand exactly why they have come here and don't have any negative feelings towards the individuals even if they are somehow indirectly contributing to the problems.
Usually not there fault and people miss a lot of root causes and go directly to blaming the new immigrant.

I'll give an example, (hopefully my adhd doesn't kick in and I go on a tangent). This is not 100% fact checked and more from my personal experience etc

I'm from Punjab, we make up a good majority of Indian immigrants coming to western countries. Reason behind this from my understanding is majority of us have farmland back home. Up until maybe 20 years ago you could maintain a Somewhat modest lifestyle depending on how much Land you had. Farming income tanked since then. Jobs in Punjab paid fk all unless you were very high level. This is recently changing for the better I've heard and the craze to go overseas isn't so high in the last 2 or 3 years.

Depending on circumstances people would get loans on there homes/land or sell off some of it to pay for agent fees and the crooks (business owners) in Western countries to sponsor them. This can range from 30 to 80k nzd that the owners pocket.
Once here those fuckwit owners rip off the new employees who have no choice as they've just taken on a huge debt to have a better life so can't afford to walk and in some cases their visas are linked to the employer.
As a truckie in my industry this leads to owners taking cheaper contracts as they're still profiting at the employees expense, undercutting and pushing the righteous business owners out and dropping rates industry wide. The new immigrant while getting exploited also has the privilege of being the face of all these problems I listed along with others that wankers like Brian tamaki love to parrot.

Actual example, for a short time a while back I worked for my uncles workmate who owned multiple bread trucks. I was the only citizen. He was generous enough to pay me more then the others but it was still shit pay. He would expect us to work through our unpaid break. And then want to pay set hours for runs even if it takes you longer through no fault of your own (breakdowns at bakery /truck, busy days etc). Later found out he's paying one of the other poor fellas $24 an hour while still shorting him on hours using the above methods. This guy is rich as fuck but just a greedy cunt, 1 of many.

From what I'm hearing this is industry wide practise. If you see a recent immigrant working for a private business/contractor I'd say there's a 75% chance he/she's being exploited to some extent.
The blame for this lands on the business owners and government for allowing these practices to continue. Both nz parties been guilty at different times. They're probably fine with it cause In a way that money to the business owner is getting invested in nz.
This probably explains my disdain for some business owners.
So yea rant over helpfully it gives people some context and insight and wasn't a jumble, not the best writer.

TLDR: immigration has quite badly effected my industry/income over the years , still don't have any ill feelings towards them. Let's show some compassion and not amplify far right racist voices to make your points.
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Are you Sikh or Hindu bro? Can you tell us a bit about the Khalistan independence movement, does it have much popular support in the kiwi Sikh community?
 
j_p said:
As a lefty dems suck at messaging.
How they never once bought up the fact Obama deported record numbers without the hateful rhetoric and ostracising of immigrants.

I don't think you will find anyone in here including the far left that thinks there should be open borders. Most of us agree there should be borders and reasonable limits on immigration according to economy /workforce demand etc.
Its the othering/ostracising and dehumanizing of immigrants we have a problem with.
At worst I can see myself being annoyed with policies/governments if illegals/mass immigration started causing major problems in nz but end of the day I still understand exactly why they have come here and don't have any negative feelings towards the individuals even if they are somehow indirectly contributing to the problems.
Usually not there fault and people miss a lot of root causes and go directly to blaming the new immigrant.

I'll give an example, (hopefully my adhd doesn't kick in and I go on a tangent). This is not 100% fact checked and more from my personal experience etc

I'm from Punjab, we make up a good majority of Indian immigrants coming to western countries. Reason behind this from my understanding is majority of us have farmland back home. Up until maybe 20 years ago you could maintain a Somewhat modest lifestyle depending on how much Land you had. Farming income tanked since then. Jobs in Punjab paid fk all unless you were very high level. This is recently changing for the better I've heard and the craze to go overseas isn't so high in the last 2 or 3 years.

Depending on circumstances people would get loans on there homes/land or sell off some of it to pay for agent fees and the crooks (business owners) in Western countries to sponsor them. This can range from 30 to 80k nzd that the owners pocket.
Once here those fuckwit owners rip off the new employees who have no choice as they've just taken on a huge debt to have a better life so can't afford to walk and in some cases their visas are linked to the employer.
As a truckie in my industry this leads to owners taking cheaper contracts as they're still profiting at the employees expense, undercutting and pushing the righteous business owners out and dropping rates industry wide. The new immigrant while getting exploited also has the privilege of being the face of all these problems I listed along with others that wankers like Brian tamaki love to parrot.

Actual example, for a short time a while back I worked for my uncles workmate who owned multiple bread trucks. I was the only citizen. He was generous enough to pay me more then the others but it was still shit pay. He would expect us to work through our unpaid break. And then want to pay set hours for runs even if it takes you longer through no fault of your own (breakdowns at bakery /truck, busy days etc). Later found out he's paying one of the other poor fellas $24 an hour while still shorting him on hours using the above methods. This guy is rich as fuck but just a greedy cunt, 1 of many.

From what I'm hearing this is industry wide practise. If you see a recent immigrant working for a private business/contractor I'd say there's a 75% chance he/she's being exploited to some extent.
The blame for this lands on the business owners and government for allowing these practices to continue. Both nz parties been guilty at different times. They're probably fine with it cause In a way that money to the business owner is getting invested in nz.
This probably explains my disdain for some business owners.
So yea rant over helpfully it gives people some context and insight and wasn't a jumble, not the best writer.

TLDR: immigration has quite badly affected my industry/income over the years , still don't have any ill feelings towards them. Let's show some compassion and not amplify far right racist voices to make your points.
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Great post and fascinating insight.

Are most of these business owners you have experienced also Indian?
 
I’ve commented on the faults within the US democracy in the past.

Is a limit of 2 terms an issue? Ie Trump has nothing to lose and no need to be popular and can do what he wants without worry about re-election? Hence enabling extremism.

Not pushing for a Trump 3rd term here but I feel our system where leaders are always tied to future election, keeps parties more populist and central.
 
Inruin said:
He wasn't just voted in on immigration.

He also hasn't spiked prices from an overall inflation perspective. I think last inflation figure for January was around 2.5% i don't see any major spike under Trump? Since the highs of around 8% of the previous government it's been in the 2.5% to 4% range by the looks of it?

You also have to consider how bad the alternative democrat options had been in the previous 4 years and who they put up against Trump this time. People clearly weren't happy with those options at the time.
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And how much economic information is being suppressed? Given this government has gone all authoritiarian and such like. No wonder you and Frank are fudding yourselves silly over them
 
MaybeTop8 said:
Stupid fuckwits https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...ack-pollution-regulation-endangerment-finding
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j_p said:
As a lefty dems suck at messaging.
How they never once bought up the fact Obama deported record numbers without the hateful rhetoric and ostracising of immigrants.

I don't think you will find anyone in here including the far left that thinks there should be open borders. Most of us agree there should be borders and reasonable limits on immigration according to economy /workforce demand etc.
Its the othering/ostracising and dehumanizing of immigrants we have a problem with.
At worst I can see myself being annoyed with policies/governments if illegals/mass immigration started causing major problems in nz but end of the day I still understand exactly why they have come here and don't have any negative feelings towards the individuals even if they are somehow indirectly contributing to the problems.
Usually not there fault and people miss a lot of root causes and go directly to blaming the new immigrant.

I'll give an example, (hopefully my adhd doesn't kick in and I go on a tangent). This is not 100% fact checked and more from my personal experience etc

I'm from Punjab, we make up a good majority of Indian immigrants coming to western countries. Reason behind this from my understanding is majority of us have farmland back home. Up until maybe 20 years ago you could maintain a Somewhat modest lifestyle depending on how much Land you had. Farming income tanked since then. Jobs in Punjab paid fk all unless you were very high level. This is recently changing for the better I've heard and the craze to go overseas isn't so high in the last 2 or 3 years.

Depending on circumstances people would get loans on there homes/land or sell off some of it to pay for agent fees and the crooks (business owners) in Western countries to sponsor them. This can range from 30 to 80k nzd that the owners pocket.
Once here those fuckwit owners rip off the new employees who have no choice as they've just taken on a huge debt to have a better life so can't afford to walk and in some cases their visas are linked to the employer.
As a truckie in my industry this leads to owners taking cheaper contracts as they're still profiting at the employees expense, undercutting and pushing the righteous business owners out and dropping rates industry wide. The new immigrant while getting exploited also has the privilege of being the face of all these problems I listed along with others that wankers like Brian tamaki love to parrot.

Actual example, for a short time a while back I worked for my uncles workmate who owned multiple bread trucks. I was the only citizen. He was generous enough to pay me more then the others but it was still shit pay. He would expect us to work through our unpaid break. And then want to pay set hours for runs even if it takes you longer through no fault of your own (breakdowns at bakery /truck, busy days etc). Later found out he's paying one of the other poor fellas $24 an hour while still shorting him on hours using the above methods. This guy is rich as fuck but just a greedy cunt, 1 of many.

From what I'm hearing this is industry wide practise. If you see a recent immigrant working for a private business/contractor I'd say there's a 75% chance he/she's being exploited to some extent.
The blame for this lands on the business owners and government for allowing these practices to continue. Both nz parties been guilty at different times. They're probably fine with it cause In a way that money to the business owner is getting invested in nz.
This probably explains my disdain for some business owners.
So yea rant over helpfully it gives people some context and insight and wasn't a jumble, not the best writer.

TLDR: immigration has quite badly effected my industry/income over the years , still don't have any ill feelings towards them. Let's show some compassion and not amplify far right racist voices to make your points.
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Good informative post
Sort of mirrors Aus tspt industry
Indian owned tspt coys undercutting rates by employing new Indians as a contractor not as an employee this avoiding super overtime holiday pay sick pay etc
This gives them a competitive advantage and many traditional Aus owned coys have folded
There’s a campaign for Govco to enforce the law around sham contracts ie contractors not employees
The accident rate is through the roof due to Govco allowing migrants from India to just switch their license to Aus license - this is now reviewed and changing
The industry is in crisis on Aus

Interestingly it mirrors the Nz situation
 
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wizard of Tauranga said:
Great post and fascinating insight.

Are most of these business owners you have experienced also Indian?
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Yep. Also been a couple news stories of similar happening with some Samoan and Tongan business owners.

Guess it happens in all communities to their own people.
The large Companies that use contractors aren't innocent either. They would have a fair idea it's happening but look the other way as they get cheaper rates with none of the culpability.
 
j_p said:
Hopefully mamdani continues making positive changes in new York over his term showing the dems there is a very real appetite for an actual progressive dem leader and policies.
Haven't had a deep read of this so not strictly attributing this statistic to mamdani but if this trend continues he will get the credit.
www.nber.org

What Reduced Crime in New York City

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Not too sure. Have some friends in NYC who are more centrist than right but think he will run out of money soon and the shit will happen.
 
kos said:
Good informative post
Sort of mirrors Aus tspt industry
Indian owned tspt coys undercutting rates by employing new Indians as a contractor not as an employee this avoiding super overtime holiday pay sick pay etc
This gives them a competitive advantage and many traditional Aus owned coys have folded
There’s a campaign for Govco to enforce the law around sham contracts ie contractors not employees
The accident rate is through the roof due to Govco allowing migrants from India to just switch their license to Aus license - this is now reviewed and changing
The industry is in crisis on Aus

Interestingly it mirrors the Nz situation
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Coincidentally just came across this video 10 mins before reading your post.


View: https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSmMeEwfJ/
Always heard there was more racism in Aus than NZ but didn't realise it was this bad. tbf nz trucking videos have increasing amount of comments complaining about Raj etc.
I'd put it down to ignorance and lack of education for them directing their hate towards the drivers when it's the systems in place to blame that allow them on the road in the first place. Anyone will take the highest paying job even if under qualified if the rules let you. Shoot the biggest theme I hear from the og Kiwi drivers I talk to is how they used to do crazy hours over the legal limit and all other kinds of dodgy shit they used to get away with.
Btw I have noticed recently,you hardly see young local guys getting into the trucking industry much these days. Is it that the wages aren't worth it anymore?
 
Gen Z are a bit soft
And in Oz fleets have to
Pay higher insurance for under 25 s
Yeah Indians are currently the immigrant to bash at the moment but in the transport industry seems there are valid reasons
When I first came to Oz in my first stint here in 79 Kiwis were the immigrant to be picked on
Then I think in the 90 s it was the Chinese
 
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kos said:
Gen Z are a bit soft
And in Oz fleets have to
Pay higher insurance for under 25 s
Yeah Indians are currently the immigrant to bash at the moment but in the transport industry seems there are valid reasons
When I first came to Oz in my first stint here in 79 Kiwis were the immigrant to be picked on
Then I think in the 90 s it was the Chinese
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Pretty crazy what’s veiled under a sense of homour or light hearted comments to kill the men, drown their kids and sell their women for slavery. Just a minority as the chap said but it seems it’s the same sentiment the world over of white men threatened by other races and opposite gender
 
Yeah that’s pretty extreme
I haven’t heard that stuff
But it wouldn’t surprise me
Some of the comments about Aus aboriginals are in that vein
 
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Just on the abuse
When I drove locally regionally and locally I used to turn the cb off its full of crap
But at night on long haul it’s more important
But yeah it’s a them and us environment here in trucking now
I m semi retired I m out of it although I still do gig economy delivery in my car as a contractor food groceries grog chemist stuff etc
I work as a contractor but decide when to work when to stop and am free to turn down jobs so that’s a true contractor
Not a long haul driver doing the same 800 km run five nights a week that’s employee status but here some are doing that work as contractors at low pay enabling the prime contractor to undercut legitimate drivers paying legal wages super holiday sick pay etc
Similar to Nz it seems Indians drive this trend
Sounds racist but evidence says otherwise
 
Worried2Death said:
Are you Sikh or Hindu bro? Can you tell us a bit about the Khalistan independence movement, does it have much popular support in the kiwi Sikh community?
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I'm not deeply educated on this topic but do have some insight. It is a very very complicated topic as indian(government) propaganda especially about someone that spoke out against the government will put America to shame.
en.wikipedia.org

Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale - Wikipedia

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This is the founder of the movement and even within Sikhs his actions are debated. According to that page he didn't advocate for independence.

I have seen plenty of stickers on cars regarding free Khalistan around but some may just be fans of bhindrawale(he's generally seen as a positive figure and great leader that fought for the oppressed but his methods are heavily debated and he had his faults) . Even googling him you will get conflicting reports.

I've never actually met anyone that seriously believes in an actual independence. Imo the loudest voices and the ones organising rallies in western countries are in it for politics and making money.
The corruption in India and Punjab is so bad that even if it was granted independence it won't change anything for the better due to lack of unified leadership.

There are certain issues brought up in the Khalistan movement that are worth exploring and needing more exposure like the 1984 riots. I was born in 87 but I hear the stories from my dad and other older relatives of how bad it was back then. I believe the government has been very slow to acknowledge there wrongdoing in this and that's one of the issues. There maybe people that are part of the movement that support certain issues but I'm sure the appetite for complete independence isn't as strong as it appears
 
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