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Don't really understand the whole left and right these days.....both bury their head in the sand and ignore facts when it suits them. They just don't understand or don't want to get any form of constructive criticism. A lot on both sides now bordering on extremism if not already there especially in the US.

What is so wrong with a moderate that there are both few supporters and no credible parties either here or elsewhere?
 

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ShaunJohnson7 said:
Don't really understand the whole left and right these days.....both bury their head in the sand and ignore facts when it suits them. They just don't understand or don't want to get any form of constructive criticism. A lot on both sides now bordering on extremism if not already there especially in the US.

What is so wrong with a moderate that there are both few supporters and no credible parties either here or elsewhere?
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Well said Shauny.

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ShaunJohnson7 said:
Don't really understand the whole left and right these days.....both bury their head in the sand and ignore facts when it suits them. They just don't understand or don't want to get any form of constructive criticism. A lot on both sides now bordering on extremism if not already there especially in the US.

What is so wrong with a moderate that there are both few supporters and no credible parties either here or elsewhere?
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Sorry. False equivalence. Everywhere in NZ, Australia, parts of Europe, all of America - it's shifted right, and in the case of America full blown fascism and authoritarianism.

What people seem to consider centre is actually quite far right in the scale of even as short a time as 15 years ago.

It's really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really

nothing to do with anything left.
 
MaybeTop8 said:
Sorry. False equivalence. Everywhere in NZ, Australia, parts of Europe, all of America - it's shifted right, and in the case of America full blown fascism and authoritarianism.

What people seem to consider centre is actually quite far right in the scale of even as short a time as 15 years ago.

It's really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really

nothing to do with anything left.
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Ok so you are left obviously with this post? All this really highlights is my point. You guys are just idiots. I said nothing about the right, I'm talking about actual moderate not what you want to think or believe
 
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ShaunJohnson7 said:
Ok so you are left obviously with this post? All those reallys highlight my point. You guys are just idiots. I said nothing about the right, I'm talking about actual moderate not what you want to think or believe
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It's the fact that you think there is equivalence between left and right at the moment. There's really not, it's just a shame that the level of objectiveness is non existent right now.

Not having a go honestly, but what you think of as moderate has shifted very right in the last 10 years. It's led to a very distorted sense of what is moderate and centre.

Wiz probably thinks he's centre for gods sake. Same with Inruin.
 
MaybeTop8 said:
Sorry. False equivalence. Everywhere in NZ, Australia, parts of Europe, all of America - it's shifted right, and in the case of America full blown fascism and authoritarianism.

What people seem to consider centre is actually quite far right in the scale of even as short a time as 15 years ago.

It's really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really

nothing to do with anything left.
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Nothing is real -John Lennon

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MaybeTop8 said:
It's the fact that you think there is equivalence between left and right at the moment. There's really not, it's just a shame that the level of objectiveness is non existent right now.

Not having a go honestly, but what you think of as moderate has shifted very right in the last 10 years. It's led to a very distorted sense of what is moderate and centre.

Wiz probably thinks he's centre for gods sake. Same with Inruin.
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I have literally not even said what I think is moderate in this thread at all? But you still get defensive and then single out other posters? It makes you look bad.

This is why I'm moderate.....someone like you twisting my words and then trying to turn it into an argument that suits you? Dude you ain't convincing me. Both sides are responsible.
 
ShaunJohnson7 said:
I have literally not even said what I think is moderate in this thread at all? But you still get defensive and then single out other posters? It makes you look bad.

This is why I'm moderate.....someone like you twisting my words and then trying to turn it into an argument that suits you? Dude you ain't convincing me. Both sides are responsible.
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Mate, not twisting anything. Have a nice evening.
 
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