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juju said:
He said this in speaking in context of a school shooting in 2023.

Charlie Kirk: “It’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment”
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The use of the word unfortunately would suggest he isn’t indifferent, what he’s saying is that he places more value on the second amendment, just like plenty of other Americans. I don’t agree with this obviously.
 

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sup42 said:
Who do you think you are speaking with?

I am a New Zealander.

This is a New Zealand forum.

Sorry your question is foreign to me, your line of thinking is not in my cultural paradigm. This not America.

You seem to be fishing for something that doesn't even enter peoples heads. ''

You are strange chasing spooks in a darkness created in your own mind.
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Not sure what you’re on about but hey to quote you “one less prick in the world”…
 
juju said:
It's an absolute horror show.

I'm thankful to be in NZ.
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I honestly don't think we are far off it either here to be honest.

I mean there is certainly a move further away from discussion, debate, talking and listening, agreeing to disagree, conceding a point. It appears that supporters of the left and right, however you define those, is more and more heading towards I am right, you are wrong, regardless of the argument put up. When it starts deteriorating in to a shouting match "I'm saying my point louder than you are so I'm right" or if I repeat it enough you'll accept I'm right, name calling and insults, or it gets to pushing and shoving, or taking signs, flags, etc (as we have seen in protests and counter protest recently) or as we have seen here in this instance, real violence where someone gets injured or killed - you have to ask yourself if you actually have the right view, I mean if you can't counter someone's argument or at least meet it, shouldn't you have a think about that rather than resort to one or more of the above? I'm not perfect in this regard either by the way, but I've also never agreed on 100% of things with anyone I have meet. I was once told if you do, you are either naive, brain washed or someone is trying to sell you something.

I am glad we have reasonably tight gun laws and controls in this country. If anything they probably should be tighter.
 
juju said:
He said this in speaking in context of a school shooting in 2023.

Charlie Kirk: “It’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment”
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Who evens talks like that? (rhetorical, a colossal prick does)

I am wondering if there was a conspiracy to ask him that same question about gun control then have the shooter off him.

I am not wondering this in a deluded conspiratorial way, i.e. I do not believe that for a second, just putting the idea out there, it would be crazy if that were the case.
 
Mr. Brownstone said:
Yeah look I admittedly had never heard of him however I also haven’t yet seen any evidence of him being ‘indifferent’ to shooting deaths in the US… but then I’ve spent no more than 2 minutes researching this. But even if he had been sufficiently ignorant to say that sort of stuff, well I’m sorry but anyone who then thinks it is ok to shoot him, well that makes them just as bad.
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He says it’s a cost to have their amendment rights but they cut out when he says how abhorrent shootings are…

I don’t agree with half what he says and he was very divisive but this guys religious and doesn’t promote shooting anyone!

The guy was very factual over emotions which triggered some people.
 
Mr. Brownstone said:
The use of the word unfortunately would suggest he isn’t indifferent, what he’s saying is that he places more value on the second amendment, just like plenty of other Americans. I don’t agree with this obviously.
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The truth is the guys was gleefully antagonistic so people are reacting to that in response to what has happened.

It is pretty ironic.
 
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wizard of Tauranga said:
He says it’s a cost to have their amendment rights but they cut out when he says how abhorrent shootings are…

I don’t agree with half what he says and he was very divisive but this guys religious and doesn’t promote shooting anyone!

The guy was very factual over emotions which triggered some people.
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Factual over emotions, what does that mean? Translation he said some nonsense you agree with.
 
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Inruin said:
I honestly don't think we are far off it either here to be honest.

I mean there is certainly a move further away from discussion, debate, talking and listening, agreeing to disagree, conceding a point. It appears that supporters of the left and right, however you define those, is more and more heading towards I am right, you are wrong, regardless of the argument put up. When it starts deteriorating in to a shouting match "I'm saying my point louder than you are so I'm right" or if I repeat it enough you'll accept I'm right, name calling and insults, or it gets to pushing and shoving, or taking signs, flags, etc (as we have seen in protests and counter protest recently) or as we have seen here in this instance, real violence where someone gets injured or killed - you have to ask yourself if you actually have the right view, I mean if you can't counter someone's argument or at least meet it, shouldn't you have a think about that rather than resort to one or more of the above? I'm not perfect in this regard either by the way, but I've also never agreed on 100% of things with anyone I have meet. I was once told if you do, you are either naive, brain washed or someone is trying to sell you something.

I am glad we have reasonably tight gun laws and controls in this country. If anything they probably should be tighter.
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In NZ we go bush when we’re frustrated at the system instead of shooting everyone you have an issue with!

Sort of a joke, but isn’t that a better way?
 
juju said:
He said this in speaking in context of a school shooting in 2023.

Charlie Kirk: “It’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment”
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View: https://x.com/JasonSCampbell/status/1643977032509067272?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1643977032509067272%7Ctwgr%5E7e432a9549d971e4b137121ddba2b23374452b57%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.newsweek.com%2Fcharlie-kirk-says-gun-deaths-worth-it-2nd-amendment-1793113

I think the point he was actually trying to make is that as a society they have decided gun ownership is something they want (and recognised in their constitution) , and much like driving a car, there is a cost to having that. In no way was he condoning gun violence.
 
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Inruin said:
I honestly don't think we are far off it either here to be honest.

I mean there is certainly a move further away from discussion, debate, talking and listening, agreeing to disagree, conceding a point. It appears that supporters of the left and right, however you define those, is more and more heading towards I am right, you are wrong, regardless of the argument put up. When it starts deteriorating in to a shouting match "I'm saying my point louder than you are so I'm right" or if I repeat it enough you'll accept I'm right, name calling and insults, or it gets to pushing and shoving, or taking signs, flags, etc (as we have seen in protests and counter protest recently) or as we have seen here in this instance, real violence where someone gets injured or killed - you have to ask yourself if you actually have the right view, I mean if you can't counter someone's argument or at least meet it, shouldn't you have a think about that rather than resort to one or more of the above? I'm not perfect in this regard either by the way, but I've also never agreed on 100% of things with anyone I have meet. I was once told if you do, you are either naive, brain washed or someone is trying to sell you something.

I am glad we have reasonably tight gun laws and controls in this country. If anything they probably should be tighter.
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I think we're still quite far off what's happening in the states but definitely not the utopian country we once thought we were.

If theres any political violence here I could see if coming from the far left or far right deeply invested in international culture war topics. The influence of that is quite insidious... not naming names.
 
juju said:
He said this in speaking in context of a school shooting in 2023.

Charlie Kirk: “It’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment”
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So the shooter could be any sort of disgruntled person and really could have so many aspects as to the motives? Imagine as a parent of a child killed in a school shooting and someone with a platform like this guy comes along and says something like this. That’s a pretty heinous view to preserve something they see as their right but causes so many issues
 
Noitall said:
So the shooter could be any sort of disgruntled person and really could have so many aspects as to the motives? Imagine as a parent of a child killed in a school shooting and someone with a platform like this guy comes along and says something like this. That’s a pretty heinous view to preserve something they see as their right but causes so many issues
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It’s worth the cost of a few car crashes in order for us to have the freedom to drive.

Doesn't sound so crazy
 
sup42 said:
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Factual over emotions, what does that mean? Translation he said some nonsense you agree with.
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He says things like we have 350 people die in the road toll every year and if we ban all cars we could save all those people but we make a choice. He compares that to guns.

Do you want to ban all cars?
 
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