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MrFrankWhite said:
I could see how you could get propagandised into thinking WW2 was about democracy, but you have to be willfully ignorant of the whole of WW1 to make the same claim.
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Global hegemony. Expand on that Frank?
 
MrFrankWhite said:
National powers. Monarchies. Rich families. WW1 kicked off officially because the heir to the austro-hungarian throne got killed. There was plotting and a lot of money involved, but regardless that had zero to do with democracy.
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You know your stuff Frank, although probably a bit more complicated than that. Here’s how ol mate ai sees it, take it up with them if you don’t agree






World War I was intertwined with ideas about democracy. While the war's origins were complex, involving alliances, nationalism, and imperial rivalries, some politicians and leaders framed the conflict as a struggle for democracy against authoritarian regimes. For example, President Woodrow Wilson's rationale for entering the war was to "make the world safe for democracy".

Here's a more detailed look:

  • Contrasting Ideologies:
    The war pitted democratic powers like Britain, France, and eventually the United States against autocratic nations like Germany and Austria-Hungary.
  • Wilson's "Democracy" Rationale:
    President Wilson's stated goal was to establish a world order based on democratic principles, which was a key justification for American involvement.
  • Impact on Post-War Europe:
    The war's outcome led to the collapse of empires and the establishment of new democratic republics in Europe, albeit often with limited success.
  • German Perspective:
    Some in Germany believed that their nation, despite its autocratic government, was better suited for a long war and would ultimately triumph over the democracies.
In essence, while the war wasn't solely about democracy, it became a significant arena for the clash of different political ideologies, with some leaders using the conflict to promote democracy as a global ideal
 
Noitall said:
You know your stuff Frank, although probably a bit more complicated than that. Here’s how ol mate ai sees it, take it up with them if you don’t agree






World War I was intertwined with ideas about democracy. While the war's origins were complex, involving alliances, nationalism, and imperial rivalries, some politicians and leaders framed the conflict as a struggle for democracy against authoritarian regimes. For example, President Woodrow Wilson's rationale for entering the war was to "make the world safe for democracy".

Here's a more detailed look:

  • Contrasting Ideologies:
    The war pitted democratic powers like Britain, France, and eventually the United States against autocratic nations like Germany and Austria-Hungary.
  • Wilson's "Democracy" Rationale:
    President Wilson's stated goal was to establish a world order based on democratic principles, which was a key justification for American involvement.
  • Impact on Post-War Europe:
    The war's outcome led to the collapse of empires and the establishment of new democratic republics in Europe, albeit often with limited success.
  • German Perspective:
    Some in Germany believed that their nation, despite its autocratic government, was better suited for a long war and would ultimately triumph over the democracies.
In essence, while the war wasn't solely about democracy, it became a significant arena for the clash of different political ideologies, with some leaders using the conflict to promote democracy as a global ideal
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show your prompt
 
MrFrankWhite said:
a world war that features limited participants across limited space and time? :ROFLMAO:
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1 - I agree it’s limited at the moment but will more countries get pulled in?

2 - NZ and Australia are upping their defence spend heavily. Is this a concern foreshadowing bigger conflict?

3 - Will China get sucked in either locally (South China Sea or Taiwan) or helping or annexing Russia?

4 - I see this as US fighting proxy wars. Is this the case? Looking big picture could they beat up Russia and Iran without taking any flack themselves?

5 - is the Trump pro Russia/ Putin a convenient front while the US weakens them via Ukraine?

How do you see it all playing out Frank?
 
wizard of Tauranga said:
1 - I agree it’s limited at the moment but will more countries get pulled in?

2 - NZ and Australia are upping their defence spend heavily. Is this a concern foreshadowing bigger conflict?

3 - Will China get sucked in either locally (South China Sea or Taiwan) or helping or annexing Russia?

4 - I see this as US fighting proxy wars. Is this the case? Looking big picture could they beat up Russia and Iran without taking any flack themselves?

5 - is the Trump pro Russia/ Putin a convenient front while the US weakens them via Ukraine?

How do you see it all playing out Frank?
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Just a few heels running amok
 
MrFrankWhite said:
Alex Padilla :unsure: where's that name and accent from? Ohh and it was a press conference with Homeland Security about ICE raids? What an amazing coincidence and 100% not a publicity stunt
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He’s a politician from the opposition party. Asking questions is part of their job. It’s called scrutiny and is what happens in a democracy
 
Hardyman's Yugo said:
He’s a politician from the opposition party. Asking questions is part of their job. It’s called scrutiny and is what happens in a democracy
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How can you not see that it’s not staged like Frank alleges? Nothing to do with democracy here, never has been either, just some mistaken identity of a Hispanic rushing the stage. Franks just counting down to savage September, he’s been in fantasyland February and currently in justification June
 
Noitall said:
How can you not see that it’s not staged like Frank alleges? Nothing to do with democracy here, never has been either, just some mistaken identity of a Hispanic rushing the stage. Franks just counting down to savage September, he’s been in fantasyland February and currently in justification June
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"staged" isnt the definition of a publicity stunt. See TPM in the NZ parliament.
 
Noitall said:
Is an elected official not allowed to ask questions? Only journalist?
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Of course they can, they do every day at their jobs in the legislature. What they cant do is gate crash federal press conferences demanding information. In fact even a journalist would be removed acting like that.

Im just amazed that a fascist, authoritarian, far right, white supremacist, nazi regime, left the senator go unharmed shortly after. Must have been an oversight.
 
Noitall said:
You’re not great with your understanding of words Frank. To stage something is to give people a certain impression or deceive, seems exactly what you’re alleging
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are you on the spectrum?

I said publicity stunt, I meant publicity stunt.

A publicity stunt is a planned event, action, or activity designed to attract public attention and generate media coverage
 
MrFrankWhite said:
Of course they can, they do every day at their jobs in the legislature. What they cant do is gate crash federal press conferences demanding information. In fact even a journalist would be removed acting like that.

Im just amazed that a fascist, authoritarian, far right, white supremacist, nazi regime, left the senator go unharmed shortly after. Must have been an oversight.
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You make it sound like a journalist has more right to ask questions by saying even a journalist would be removed. This guy is elected and has every right to ask questions for those he represents
 
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