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[Noitall]

Thats complete nonsense that ignores the history of every nationality involved.

Such was the times. An inconvenient truth

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Such was the times. An inconvenient truth

just because it existed, doesnt mean its the reason for a countries founding.

But I mean yeah Native Americans were taking slaves before the Spanish arrived if thats your meaning?

 

[Noitall]

just because it existed, doesnt mean its the reason for a countries founding.

But I mean yeah Native Americans were taking slaves before the Spanish arrived if thats your meaning?

The Americans just followed the British with how they shipped slaves from the Caribbean. Slavery is big part of their history along with abolition movement

 

[MaybeTop8]

just because it existed, doesnt mean its the reason for a countries founding.

But I mean yeah Native Americans were taking slaves before the Spanish arrived if thats your meaning?

You're on the wrong side of history in so many ways Frank

 

[MrFrankWhite]

You're on the wrong side of history in so many ways Frank

You dont even know your history. Native Americans both north and south engaged in slavery for centuries before European colonization.

To claim that America, whose actual founding was based on the British and Dutch escaping religious persecution, is actually slavery, is objectively wrong in every facet.

I have a familial line that ends with the trans Atlantic slave trade, but theres slave trading within it that predates Europeans

 

[Noitall]

You dont even know your history. Native Americans both north and south engaged in slavery for centuries before European colonization.

To claim that America, whose actual founding was based on the British and Dutch escaping religious persecution, is actually slavery, is objectively wrong in every facet.

I have a familial line that ends with the trans Atlantic slave trade, but theres slave trading within it that predates Europeans

The history of the lands that became the United States began with the arrival of the first people in the Americas around 15,000 BC. After European colonization of North America began in the late 15th century, wars and epidemics decimated Indigenous societies. By the 1760s, the thirteen British colonies were established. The Southern Colonies built an agricultural system on slave labor, enslaving millions from Africa. After defeating France, the British Parliamentimposed a series of taxes; resistance to these taxes, especially the Boston Tea Party in 1773, led to Parliament issuing the Intolerable Acts designed to end self-government






Guess you can find anything to back up your argument these days, but this is one brief piece on it’s history

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

The history of the lands that became the United States began with the arrival of the first people in the Americas around 15,000 BC. After European colonization of North America began in the late 15th century, wars and epidemics decimated Indigenous societies. By the 1760s, the thirteen British colonies were established. The Southern Colonies built an agricultural system on slave labor, enslaving millions from Africa. After defeating France, the British Parliamentimposed a series of taxes; resistance to these taxes, especially the Boston Tea Party in 1773, led to Parliament issuing the Intolerable Acts designed to end self-government






Guess you can find anything to back up your argument these days, but this is one brief piece on it’s history

Slavery was a big part of the economic success of the US but America was founded to break away from English control:

The American Revolution (1765–1783) was an ideological and political movement in the Thirteen Colonies which peaked when colonists initiated the ultimately successful war for independence (the American Revolutionary War) against the Kingdom of Great Britain. Leaders of the American Revolution were colonial separatist leaderswho originally sought more autonomy as British subjects, but later assembled to support the Revolutionary War, which ended British colonial rule over the colonies, establishing their independence as the United States of America in July 1776.

They soon adopted the Declaration of Independence, which embodied the political philosophies of liberalism and republicanism, rejected monarchy and aristocracy, and famously proclaimed that "all men are created equal".

 

[mrblonde]

timing

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/parenting/school-life/miss-purr-queensland-teacher-allegedly-behaving-like-a-cat-in-class/news-story/ff1bcd7cd5b14cccf0ed4684ab578eab

Demands more investigation:
Do the concerned parents think this teacher is a bitch and are making things out of nothing?
Can we get third party confirmation that any person shown in the videos allegedly shared is A) The teacher in question and B) Not acting up because the person holding the smartphone/whatever was used to record the video directed them to?
And if there's evidence of her using the ladies' loo (ie something a cat wouldn't do because it'd fall in and die most likely or screetch until someone rescued it!), she's obviously role-playing for her own amusement.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Demands more investigation:
Do the concerned parents think this teacher is a bitch and are making things out of nothing?
Can we get third party confirmation that any person shown in the videos allegedly shared is A) The teacher in question and B) Not acting up because the person holding the smartphone/whatever was used to record the video directed them to?
And if there's evidence of her using the ladies' loo (ie something a cat wouldn't do because it'd fall in and die most likely or screetch until someone rescued it!), she's obviously role-playing for her own amusement.

I posted without comment as it was relevant to the comment and recent.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Slavery was a big part of the economic success of the US but America was founded to break away from English control:

The American Revolution (1765–1783) was an ideological and political movement in the Thirteen Colonies which peaked when colonists initiated the ultimately successful war for independence (the American Revolutionary War) against the Kingdom of Great Britain. Leaders of the American Revolution were colonial separatist leaderswho originally sought more autonomy as British subjects, but later assembled to support the Revolutionary War, which ended British colonial rule over the colonies, establishing their independence as the United States of America in July 1776.

They soon adopted the Declaration of Independence, which embodied the political philosophies of liberalism and republicanism, rejected monarchy and aristocracy, and famously proclaimed that "all men are created equal".

This.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Also Santa Fe had already been established by the Spanish, and both the Dutch and French had trading outposts well prior to the Mayflower and the rest.

 

[Noitall]

Slavery was a big part of the economic success of the US but America was founded to break away from English control:

The American Revolution (1765–1783) was an ideological and political movement in the Thirteen Colonies which peaked when colonists initiated the ultimately successful war for independence (the American Revolutionary War) against the Kingdom of Great Britain. Leaders of the American Revolution were colonial separatist leaderswho originally sought more autonomy as British subjects, but later assembled to support the Revolutionary War, which ended British colonial rule over the colonies, establishing their independence as the United States of America in July 1776.

They soon adopted the Declaration of Independence, which embodied the political philosophies of liberalism and republicanism, rejected monarchy and aristocracy, and famously proclaimed that "all men are created equal".

The Declaration of Independence

Español We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. Preamble to the Declaration of Independence The Declaration of Independence...

www.archives.gov

As mentioned in this piece that the Declaration of Independence isn’t actually a binding artefact and really an ideal, which is why that statement would be unfathomable when you consider the whole civil rights movement and the atrocities down south that would follow years later

 

[Noitall]

When you look at the Declaration of Independence, it would be viewed as woke today

 

[Worried2Death]

When you look at the Declaration of Independence, it would be viewed as woke today

So would Jesus, wouldn't like to be in his sandals when he comes back.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

When you look at the Declaration of Independence, it would be viewed as woke today

The preamble talks about “a creator”. That’s religious right

What parts are you talking about?

 

[Noitall]

So would Jesus, wouldn't like to be in his sandals when he comes back.

Wearing roman sandals was bad enough

 

[Noitall]

The preamble talks about “a creator”. That’s religious right

What parts are you talking about?

All men created equal. Pretty misogynistic too. My Mum and Dad created me, as much as I love them they’re not gods

 

[MrFrankWhite]

All men created equal. Pretty misogynistic too. My Mum and Dad created me, as much as I love them they’re not gods

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of happiness.”

Individuals rights over the state. Seem like that’s right of centre. Still not seeing the hard left of centre takes in the Declaration

 

[Noitall]

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of happiness.”

Individuals rights over the state. Seem like that’s right of centre. Still not seeing the hard left of centre takes in the Declaration

Nothing more than an ideal that was never fulfilled when considering what some endured. Words are different than actions

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Nothing more than an ideal that was never fulfilled when considering what some endured. Words are different than actions

I think the strong libertarian individual rights define America. The US is politically the most libertarian country in the world.

The power of the individual over the state.

Just like many ideals there’s a lot wrong with it but its clearly a guiding principle in their country.


Ps. for what it’s worth, one branch of my family tree traces back to Nigeria through the Caribbean. Another branch is Indian through plantations in Mauritius. Both were slaves.