Politics 🗳️ NZ Politics

[wizard of Tauranga]

Not sure about the guillotine, but yes, I consider the bureaucracy to be far more the enemy than billionaires..

So right!

Bureaucracy slows everything down, creating frustration, delays, and endless red tape. If you don’t believe that, you probably haven’t tried to run a business, build houses, or create jobs. Of course it has its place but should’ve lean and efficient.

Meanwhile billionaires are the ones creating companies, employing people, building infrastructure, and driving innovation that advances society.

More billionaires, less paper pushers!

 

[MaybeTop8]

You do realise that government depts have IT staff who could inform them things so the Ministers can then explain it? You do realise that most "experts" in AI, and pretty much anything, have had to learn about it? Even people who have "self taught" themselves about AI have spent time learning it.

That doesn't happen Mike.

Which roles are being disestablished?
What do those roles do?
What is the importance of those roles not being fulfilled?
What happens to all of these people, with their families, their lives?
What accountability is being removed by the demolition of these roles?
What will suffer by these roles being removed?

And there's absolutely no plan for the implementation of some vague antidemocratic technology called AI.

Which has to be paid for, and will end up costing far more locked into an oligarch's technology that is unproven and demonstrably false in a number of areas.
All the information comes from what already exists. You need research, and people to create new information, that is verified, reasoned and well researched. With those people gone, how will that information get created?


This government is the most appallingly destructive government ever.

It amazes me sort of, not really, that the right on here rush to dismantle their own democracy, and seek to damage their own communities.

For what? To back the utter destruction and poison the right, the oligarchs, the autocrats are heaping on New Zealand and around the world.

 

[MaybeTop8]

So right!

Bureaucracy slows everything down, creating frustration, delays, and endless red tape. If you don’t believe that, you probably haven’t tried to run a business, build houses, or create jobs. Of course it has its place but should’ve lean and efficient.

Meanwhile billionaires are the ones creating companies, employing people, building infrastructure, and driving innovation that advances society.

More billionaires, less paper pushers!

When are you moving to America? Your mates have fucked this country completely.

 

[MaybeTop8]

Here's a few rich pricks that need culling.

So you're advocating mass murder?

Look at the state of you guys.

 

[BabylonPink]

So right!

Bureaucracy slows everything down, creating frustration, delays, and endless red tape. If you don’t believe that, you probably haven’t tried to run a business, build houses, or create jobs. Of course it has its place but should’ve lean and efficient.

Meanwhile billionaires are the ones creating companies, employing people, building infrastructure, and driving innovation that advances society.

More billionaires, less paper pushers!

There can't really be More billionaures though right? Surely there's a fixed amount of wealth right. Can't just create money...
Like wouldn't it be better than having one musk you had like 20 smaller musks.

 

[MaybeTop8]

Anyway, regardless of the idiocy and plain old vindictive nastiness of those on the right, and on here it's pretty fucking obvious how destructive and how far right things are going.

And how related the two things are.

And how the right on here want to give away all of new zealand's democracy, environment and wealth.

Worst government ever.

 

[MaybeTop8]

There can't really be More billionaures though right? Surely there's a fixed amount of wealth right. Can't just create money...
Like wouldn't it be better than having one musk you had like 20 smaller musks.

Well, governments and banks create money all the time. And billionaires are hoovering it up in the form of wealth extraction and asset hoarding at rates never seen before.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

There can't really be More billionaures though right? Surely there's a fixed amount of wealth right. Can't just create money...
Like wouldn't it be better than having one musk you had like 20 smaller musks.

If there was a fixed pile of wealth, how did get to billionaires in the first place? How does that number manage to increase?

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Well, governments and banks create money all the time. And billionaires are hoovering it up in the form of wealth extraction and asset hoarding at rates never seen before.

Govts print money to pay for leftist fantasies and the ever increasing state. That in turn inflates asset prices. If you really want to stick it to billionaires, demand a reduction in govt.

 

[MaybeTop8]

If there was a fixed pile of wealth, how did get to billionaires in the first place? How does that number manage to increase?

How do you think? Jaysis.

 

[MaybeTop8]

Govts print money to pay for leftist fantasies and the ever increasing state. That in turn inflates asset prices. If you really want to stick it to billionaires, demand a reduction in govt.

Wank wank wank. Not feeling particularly charitable tonight I'm afraid. We've been in hard right land for the last 50 years economically and it's fucking over the world.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

“hArD rIgHT” and every time there’s a fucking massive welfare state

 

[miket12]

That doesn't happen Mike.

So every time you've posted on here how Ministers have rejected advice from officials is wrong? Because my post said that they do.

 

[Tokyo Warrior]

Govts print money to pay for leftist fantasies and the ever increasing state. That in turn inflates asset prices. If you really want to stick it to billionaires, demand a reduction in govt.

I’m catching your vibe here, but this simply isn’t true. The leftist paradise is paid for via borrowing and taxation. The printing of money is a whole other beast.

 

[Rick O’Shay]

So you're advocating mass murder?

Look at the state of you guys.

So, besides the amped rhetoric what’s your thoughts on the WCC salaries considering everyone of those listed is unelected and unaccountable to ratepayers compared to the mayor who is elected and accountable
And please don’t obfuscate or deflect.
Your opinion is appreciated

 

[Tokyo Warrior]

Also, I believe the printing of money is overseen by the independent RBNZ

 

[MaybeTop8]

So every time you've posted on here how Ministers have rejected advice from officials is wrong? Because my post said that they do.

Your post is saying ministers reject advice from officials? I was generally replying to this "You do realise that government depts have IT staff who could inform them things so the Ministers can then explain it? You do realise that most "experts" in AI, and pretty much anything, have had to learn about it? Even people who have "self taught" themselves about AI have spent time learning it."

and got a bit pissed off at the announcements made yesterday by Nicola Willis generally, so apologies for the dump, it was more aimed generally at people like Wiz and others who are taking pleasure in others misery.

 

[MaybeTop8]

So, besides the amped rhetoric what’s your thoughts on the WCC salaries considering everyone of those listed is unelected and unaccountable to ratepayers compared to the mayor who is elected and accountable
And please don’t obfuscate or deflect.
Your opinion is appreciated

Well, first of al they're affiliated with a far right organisation backed by Atlas -

Second of all, it's pretty nasty to post peoples pictures and salaries, and a further note there, they're all underlined in small print with "Salary Band Midpoint".

So there's no actual fact there in terms of salary.

Third, it's a lynch mob.

Fourth, how are those roles distributed, and what projects etc might they be working on? And how critical is each one?

Fifth, how many are contractors? Some might only be there short term.

Sixth - this is a far right hit job.

 

[Inruin]

So, have we run out of fuel yet?

 

[MaybeTop8]

So, have we run out of fuel yet?

I'm paying fuckloads, how about you?