From memory there was criticism of not allowing short term unskilled fruit pickers in. There was more around not letting in trained doctors and nurses too.
Politics 🗳️ NZ Politics
- Thread starter wizard of Tauranga
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Wealth tax would be a great start. Getting back democracy from the oligarchs and corporate backers another.
Well seeing as you won't answer mine again, no point continuing the discussion.
Our education results have declined over time. So surely, improving on that makes a difference. Unless of course its just a social goal....
I never said education was 'just' a social goal, that is putting words into my mouth.. To me it is the fuel, but not the engine. We’ve had the one of the best fuels in the world for decades and the car is still slow. Why? Because we have a tiny engine. We invest our national wealth in houses instead of technology. Until you address why NZ businesses don't invest in R&D, 'fixing schools' is just training people for high value jobs that don't exist here, which is why our best and brightest move to Australia the moment they graduate.
The current decline in schools is a tragedy for the future and not the cause of our decades long low productivity. And this is not me saying we shouldn't fix education..
How does that in any way make it exclusively a social goal? You have surely heard of nuance? Look if you want to argue about a linguistic point instead of answering any questions again then this is a waste of time and you are approaching this in bad faith.
Likewise, I said its a good start to productivity improvement.
You are the one that seems keen to argue that point.
juju
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No substance. Just like the current government.
And your definition of oligarch in the NZ context would refer to anyone lucky enough to own a home mortgage free?
Wonder how much tax Graeme Hart pays...
Sigh. No.
Exactly.
tyrael
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View: https://youtube.com/shorts/680MmVsfmz8?si=2QQo3Nb3w249zvNr
Much more succinct than I've been saying.
Poor people all congregated together leads to staying poor.
Im back...
As well as being a complete piece of shit, Destiny is also factually wrong. Poverty is the default starting state of human civilisation. If your statement was correct then no civilisation would or could lift themselves out of poverty.
Praise be, we're saved
tyrael
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But we're not at the beginning of civilization though.
Your thesis is that everyone starts wealthy and that wealth is somehow stolen by the rich?
And some cultures were at the start of civilisation as recently as a few hundred years ago.
tyrael
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I don't know where you think I said stolen from the rich.
I'm saying once civilization has been established there are rich, middle and poor. All on different scales. When you're at the bottom of the pile, it's hard to leave. It's not like a smart educated person who goes bankrupt. We're talking either generations of family violence, or trauma or uneducated.
If you go to a South Auckland high school. You'll see how they are disadvantaged. A example and yes it's anecdotal, is a year 13 student got a free scholarship to polytech. But it was far away and they would need to bus. They declined it because it was too difficult and they needed to get a job to support the family.
One of the things that I reflected on over the weekend was how London has a lot of social housing in central, wealthy areas. After WWII, a lot of the city was destroyed and rebuilt, which included large social housing buildings within the hearts of wealthy areas (e.g. Notting Hill etc).
Your point got me thinking. There is actually a decent amount of social housing in wealthy areas with good schooling - Parnell, Remuera, Meadowbank, Westmere etc. A good solution to the generational poverty / education issue is to use properties in these sorts of areas for families that are sending their children to the local schools. Once the kids have finished their local schooling, move the family on and move another family in. That way, at least the usage of the property is maximised for its best use.
There are plenty of KO tenants in these areas that have been in the same house for decades. What's the point of a single OAP occupying a double grammar zone flat, when it could be better used for a family giving their kids a grammar education
