Politics 🗳️ NZ Politics

[Rick O’Shay]

Democracy Briefing: National and NZ First are now feasting on each other

For two and a half years it has been just about possible to argue that the National–NZ First–Act coalition was outperforming the predictions of its critics.

www.democracyproject.org.nz

 

[miket12]

Winnie's playing an interesting game.... in 2005, he entered into a confidence-and-supply agreement with Labour.... then leading up to the 2008 Election, started to distance NZ First from Labour.... and, in the 2008 Election, NZ First failed to make it passed the 5% threshold.

In 2017, entered into a coalition with Labour, then leading up to the 2020 Election, started to distance NZ First from Labour and again failed to make the 5% threshold.

Be interesting to see if, in this year's election, his criticism of National sees them drop out again.

If that happens, National and ACT won't have the numbers to form a government and it will be Labour trying to hold a coalition together with the māori Party and the Greens.

This election is certainly going to be interesting!!!

 

[Worried2Death]

Winnie's playing an interesting game.... in 2005, he entered into a confidence-and-supply agreement with Labour.... then leading up to the 2008 Election, started to distance NZ First from Labour.... and, in the 2008 Election, NZ First failed to make it passed the 5% threshold.

In 2017, entered into a coalition with Labour, then leading up to the 2020 Election, started to distance NZ First from Labour and again failed to make the 5% threshold.

Be interesting to see if, in this year's election, his criticism of National sees them drop out again.

If that happens, National and ACT won't have the numbers to form a government and it will be Labour trying to hold a coalition together with the Maori Party and the Greens.

This election is certainly going to be interesting!!!

Can you see Winnie aligning with the left block if NZF make the threshold?

 

[tyrael]

TOP need to be in front of the media more from here in out. Get some polls going and get some traction, otherwise will be hard to vote for them.

 

[Inruin]

Winnie's playing an interesting game.... in 2005, he entered into a confidence-and-supply agreement with Labour.... then leading up to the 2008 Election, started to distance NZ First from Labour.... and, in the 2008 Election, NZ First failed to make it passed the 5% threshold.

In 2017, entered into a coalition with Labour, then leading up to the 2020 Election, started to distance NZ First from Labour and again failed to make the 5% threshold.

Be interesting to see if, in this year's election, his criticism of National sees them drop out again.

If that happens, National and ACT won't have the numbers to form a government and it will be Labour trying to hold a coalition together with the Maori Party and the Greens.

This election is certainly going to be interesting!!!

The difference this time is that he has ruled out working with Hipkins.

 

[Worried2Death]

TOP need to be in front of the media more from here in out. Get some polls going and get some traction, otherwise will be hard to vote for them.

Can't see it happening, I never hear a thing about them apart from what's on their website, might as well be invisible. Can't even pick out where they sit on the nz political spectrum, what is Teal?

 

[Worried2Death]

The difference this time is that he has ruled out working with Hipkins.

Even if Winnie's offered the biggest bauble of all? I'm not so sure.

 

[John Nick]

The difference this time is that he has ruled out working with Hipkins.

Is that like when he said that releasing those emails was just a mistake.
Yeah right.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

You Need to stop using vibes as a measure.

OECD ranking (approximate, latest patterns)

Here’s a **clean ranking from lowest → highest total tax on wages** (grouped for clarity):

### Lowest tax (lightest burden)

* Chile
* Mexico
* Colombia
* Costa Rica

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### Low tax

* New Zealand
* Switzerland
* Israel
* South Korea
* Australia

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### Middle (where most countries sit)

* United States
* United Kingdom
* Canada
* Japan
* Spain
* Portugal

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### High tax

* Germany
* Austria
* Italy
* Netherlands
* Finland
* Sweden

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### Very high tax (top of OECD)

* France
* Belgium

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## Visual snapshot (approximate tax wedge %)

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## Key takeaways

* **Lowest taxes in OECD:** Latin American members (Chile, Mexico)
* **New Zealand:** consistently **low-tax within OECD**
* **United States:** **middle**
* **Europe (especially France/Belgium):** **highest**

You need to stop using chat GPT as hard data. It has hallucinations!

Just at a glance we all know Chat GPT is just plan wrong if it thinks NZ has lower tax than the US.

From the OECD itself: above the OECD average (by definition higher tax).

 

[juju]

He knew him well enough & pushed him hard. Odd because they’re two very different blokes & I’d have always thought Key to be a good judge of character.

As for reading the mood - it’s difficult to do that when the only person you care about is yourself.

Wealthy people get enamoured by other wealthy people....

 

[tyrael]

You need to stop using chat GPT as hard data. It has hallucinations!

Just at a glance we all know Chat GPT is just plan wrong if it thinks NZ has lower tax than the US.

From the OECD itself: above the OECD average (by definition higher tax).

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That shows it relative to economy and since ours is bad it looks like we tax heaps. If we reduced tax services go down and it'll only hurt middle and lower income earners.

America also has state tax on top of federal tax. It also has death tax and gift tax. Imagine earning the stuff you have, had made tax on it and then get taxed more because you want to give it away to your children.

 

[tyrael]

Can't see it happening, I never hear a thing about them apart from what's on their website, might as well be invisible. Can't even pick out where they sit on the nz political spectrum, what is Teal?

Yeah, Qiulae was on TVNZ I think about 2 months ago and that's so I've heard from her.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

That shows it relative to economy and since ours is bad it looks like we tax heaps. If we reduced tax services go down and it'll only hurt middle and lower income earners.

America also has state tax on top of federal tax. It also has death tax and gift tax. Imagine earning the stuff you have, had made tax on it and then get taxed more because you want to give it away to your children.

I despise wealth, gift and death taxes. No justification for that except plain jealousy.

It’s not the government or societies money and you can’t claim it’s the result of generating income which our government spending has contributed to eg through roads, educated workforce, etc. it oversteps a boundary and is double dipping.

I’m not advocating for lower taxes either. I just don’t think we’re a low tax country. We need enough for a great health and education system with good roads and social services, etc.