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[wizard of Tauranga]

Far far higher rate compared to what?

Cyclists are 2-3% of road users as you said, and make up roughly the same % of deaths.. 3.6% last year as you said.

Cyclists are 3.6% of the road deaths and approx 1-2% of all travel. So your twice as likely to die on a bike than in a car.

Anecdotally driving around I see 100’s of cars for every bike so I think 1% is to high but open to anyone proving that wrong. Conveniently, nobody seems to have exact stats.

https://www.wsp.com/en-nz/insights/sharing-road?utm

 

[Damo]

Cyclists are 3.6% of the road deaths and approx 1-2% of all travel. So your twice as likely to die on a bike than in a car.

Anecdotally driving around I see 100’s of cars for every bike so I think 1% is to high but open to anyone proving that wrong. Conveniently, nobody seems to have exact stats.

https://www.wsp.com/en-nz/insights/sharing-road?utm

Yes, cycling risk is higher per trip, because cyclists are exposed to cars. That’s an infrastructure issue, not a reason to ban cycling. Separated cycleways reduce that risk. Anecdotes about “seeing more cars” don’t override actual travel survey data.
The last 3 financial years motorcyclists, trucks and walking by a road are more dangerous than cycling, should we ban those as well?

NZ Car Crash Statistics 2022-2025 | 91,496 Crashes Analysed

We analyse 91,496 police-reported vehicle crashes across NZ. See death rates by region, speed limit, vehicle type, and road conditions - plus what the data means for insurance.

www.moneyhub.co.nz

 

[BabylonPink]

Problem is design of cities and shit public transport. Go to Amsterdam wiz. Smoke some weed chill out. Stop sucking down cheeseburgers driving 120 like a malcontent.

 

[defensivebomb]

And cyclists keep dying at a far, far higher rate.

Under H&S legislation they should be banned as an unsafe mode of transport, just like smoking is being phased out.

To be fair, some of the reasons it is so dodgy to ride on the road these days are that:

1. Cars are wider
2. Many streets are now jamming 2 lanes & parking when it used to be 1 wide lane & parking
3. More cars & congestion
4. Drivers are more bogan and aggresssive (partially caused by #3)

I wouldn’t let my kids cycle on the road these days, but when i did it as a kid, it was a lot safer

There’s actually very little that is unsafe about cycling itself. It is the vehicles that make it so

 

[defensivebomb]

Cyclists are 3.6% of the road deaths and approx 1-2% of all travel. So your twice as likely to die on a bike than in a car.

it’s kind of like saying more women die in domestic violence, so it must be something that women are doing that is causing this.

For H&S reasons, we have to stop women

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Yes, cycling risk is higher per trip, because cyclists are exposed to cars. That’s an infrastructure issue, not a reason to ban cycling. Separated cycleways reduce that risk. Anecdotes about “seeing more cars” don’t override actual travel survey data.
The last 3 financial years motorcyclists, trucks and walking by a road are more dangerous than cycling, should we ban those as well?

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NZ Car Crash Statistics 2022-2025 | 91,496 Crashes Analysed

We analyse 91,496 police-reported vehicle crashes across NZ. See death rates by region, speed limit, vehicle type, and road conditions - plus what the data means for insurance.

www.moneyhub.co.nz

So why dont we building motorcycle lanes?

Why this dogma about providing an entire seperate infrastructure for cycles which most don’t use.

I’m not anti cyclist. I ride on the footpaths in my area myself. I just wouldn’t use it as a transport method for myself or my family.

 

[Damo]

So why dont we building motorcycle lanes?

Why this dogma about providing an entire seperate infrastructure for cycles which most don’t use.

I’m not anti cyclist. I ride on the footpaths in my area myself. I just wouldn’t use it as a transport method for myself or my family.

Motorcycles travel at traffic speed and integrate with cars. Bicycles don’t, there is a major speed and mass mismatch which is where the risk comes from. Cycleways exist to separate that hazard. Riding on footpaths just shifts the risk to pedestrians.

I wouldn't say its dogma, it is basic physics and safety design.

 

[miket12]

What's not being talked about in the public statements is the unworkability of public transport in Auckland. It's extremely poor in many areas, including the one where I live - I head in very early in a car (hybrid for all those on the right about to scream on their keyboards) which takes 30 mins approx for an 18km journey, and I pay just under 20 for parking. I also have to leave early to miss the traffic.

My area is not serviced well by public transport, and the office is located outside the cbd, so one way on public transport takes 1hr 45 and costs $9. One way. $18 in total

So taxing the only way that people can travel realistically in Auckland, which is cars in part because of the nimbyism against delivery of good public transport and in large part to the road lobby and oil and gas lobby, and offering no alternative is yet another punishment and tax on those who can afford it the least.

And then I hear the idiotic calls to force everyone into the office, and yes, these have come from those on the right, in a city which is already choked, does not have enough office space, etc etc. For no rational reason other than subjugation.

Whereas most of us adults are actually more productive working from home and very happy to go in one day a week to an office that can't hold all of us anyway.

The decades of underinvestment and outright hostility to well planned public transport, that we're seeing repeated against non petrol cars have led us to this point.

Public transport works really well for getting in or out of a CBD... going across a city, it, unfortunately isn't as good. My wife loves catching the train to work.... be then we only live just over a km from the Manukau station and her work is less than 300m from the Britomart/Waitemata station.

When she was at Newmarket, it was a totally different story as the trains don't go from Manukau to there, so she'd either have to leave a car at Homai or Papatoetoe or swap trains at Onehunga. It was easier for her just to drive in.

Be interesting to see how well the bus lane from Botany (when the last section is finished) through to Panmure goes. Funny thing is, I thought it was a government promise to pay for the whole thing entirely once the regional fuel tax was removed but NZTA are getting Auckland Council to foot half the bill for the last section from Guys Reserve to Botany.

BTW, even though your daily commute would be $18, AT have a system where, if you use the AT HOP card, the maximum you have to pay is $50 each week. That means you'd get two days "free" travel... if you wanted to put up with 3 1/2 hours travel each day.

-day fare cap for Auckland public transport

-day fare cap for Auckland public transport

at.govt.nz

 

[MaybeTop8]

Public transport works really well for getting in or out of a CBD... going across a city, it, unfortunately isn't as good. My wife loves catching the train to work.... be then we only live just over a km from the Manukau station and her work is less than 300m from the Britomart/Waitemata station.

When she was at Newmarket, it was a totally different story as the trains don't go from Manukau to there, so she'd either have to leave a car at Homai or Papatoetoe or swap trains at Onehunga. It was easier for her just to drive in.

Be interesting to see how well the bus lane from Botany (when the last section is finished) through to Panmure goes. Funny thing is, I thought it was a government promise to pay for the whole thing entirely once the regional fuel tax was removed but NZTA are getting Auckland Council to foot half the bill for the last section from Guys Reserve to Botany.

BTW, even though your daily commute would be $18, AT have a system where, if you use the AT HOP card, the maximum you have to pay is $50 each week. That means you'd get two days "free" travel... if you wanted to put up with 3 1/2 hours travel each day.

-day fare cap for Auckland public transport

-day fare cap for Auckland public transport

at.govt.nz

Forgot about the cap! Yeah, also didn't mention the frequent cancelations too

 

[snake77]

It will be from his lived experience getting himself healthy. But man Dave Letele does great work.

The media have liked to push the healthy at any size or fat acceptance movement. You are not health at 300kg (660 pounds).

The more support Dave Letele can get the better.

From hospital bed to exercise award: The 300kg dad who refused to give up

At his lowest, James McDiarmid weighed just over 300kg and was near death.

www.nzherald.co.nz

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Forgot about the cap! Yeah, also didn't mention the frequent cancelations too

You have seen the light!

Public transport has severe limitations and Auckland with its spread and low density has to be car first

 

[BabylonPink]

You have seen the light!

Public transport has severe limitations and Auckland with its spread and low density has to be car first

It doesn't have to be anything.

 

[snake77]

On the proposal to toll the Auckland Harbour Bridge.

The politicians obviously don't work in Auckland or haven't done business in Auckland. People are moving around everyday to see customers. The costs will just be passed on.

Overall the public transport should be improved. I agree on. But, some of their proposals don't take into account the dispersed nature of the city.

As much as modern work can be done remotely. I work in IT and I do a lot of my consulting remotely. There is still an element of business that needs to be done face to face. Or IT you need to be onsite. You can't rack and stack devices remotely.

 

[MaybeTop8]

You have seen the light!

Public transport has severe limitations and Auckland with its spread and low density has to be car first

Nope. Interconnected frequent cheap public transport including new rail links. All new suburbs to include public transport infrastructure, including rail. Distributed centres for multiple industries so the focus isn't the cbd. Stop delaying and start now. Subsidise public transport now

 

[defensivebomb]

I’d accept tolls, but is it the harbour bridge that is Auckland’s biggest traffic problem?

The southern motorway from Grafton to manukau is pretty gridlocked, most weekdays

 

[Bay39er]

It will be from his lived experience getting himself healthy. But man Dave Letele does great work.

The media have liked to push the healthy at any size or fat acceptance movement. You are not health at 300kg (660 pounds).

The more support Dave Letele can get the better.

From hospital bed to exercise award: The 300kg dad who refused to give up

At his lowest, James McDiarmid weighed just over 300kg and was near death.

www.nzherald.co.nz

Sir Dave Letele

 

[John Nick]

Sure I would trust DL to be honest with the funds that are raised.

 

[miket12]

Forgot about the cap! Yeah, also didn't mention the frequent cancelations too

And right on cue.... just dropped S off to Manukau for the 6:10 train.... she texted to say it was cancelled and she was going on the 6:19 instead.

 

[miket12]

Nope. Interconnected frequent cheap public transport including new rail links. All new suburbs to include public transport infrastructure, including rail. Distributed centres for multiple industries so the focus isn't the cbd. Stop delaying and start now. Subsidise public transport now

Public transport is already subsidised... if people had to pay the "full price" for their fares, few to no one would use it.

‘Critical challenge’: Auckland faces soaring transport subsidy costs

Bus subsidies increased from $2.72 to $4.70, trains from $4.56 to $12.01.

www.nzherald.co.nz

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

English coming an official language to honour the ‘equal’ partnership within the treaty.

Great news.