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Absolutely true.

I guess where I'm coming from is that they have known they had a serious underfunding problem for years as you say and they finally acknowledged it with the big spike that shows in T8's graph.

You would think from then on that full priority would be given to the problem (which is huge) and agreeing additional funding, not continuing to support vanity projects like the cycleways, Town Hall reconstruction, Tikana Conference centre which I understand is subsidised to the tune of around $10m a year, Rainbow toilets and pedestrian crossings at 500k each. As you say, would the extra funding have helped? I have no idea but you would have to expect an improvement if spent in the right places.

On the other hand if the people of Wellington are happy to give their councils a mandate for this level of management of their rates money then good luck, but please don't go to Govt looking for a handout of our money to cover up local inadequacies. This can be true of many councils at the moment. All about priorities IMO and how councils (not just Wellington and not just any political party) get hi jacked.
You're pushing all of this onto the council though Rick, and whether consciously or unconsciously highlighting other areas of funding that you disagree with as unimportant, which others not of your political persuasion will no doubt disagree with. In fact you're deliberately highlighting areas that those on the right tend to look down upon with scorn, but hey, that's up to you.

If we're all agreed that there's 40 years of neglect and infrastructure deficit going on here, perhaps there's an underlying mechanism that has contributed to that. More than one maybe - for example privatisation.

Or neoliberalism, which tends to completely drive the policies of our successive governments.

So yes, you would think this would be the priority. And clearly it was, through three waters.
 
I see this Nick Leggett guy who has resigned himself from Wellington Water is also the C.E. of Infrastructure NZ.
I had a brief discussion with him 7 or 8 years ago and was less than impressed
Any thoughts on him Rick O’Shay πŸ€”
 
I see this Nick Leggett guy who has resigned himself from Wellington Water is also the C.E. of Infrastructure NZ.
I had a brief discussion with him 7 or 8 years ago and was less than impressed
Any thoughts on him Rick O’Shay πŸ€”
Met the guy as well back in the days of tenders boards. Incompetent bureaucrat for sure. I guess he saw the writing on the wall and that the buck in this instance stopped with him
 
Met the guy as well back in the days of tenders boards. Incompetent bureaucrat for sure. I guess he saw the writing on the wall and that the buck in this instance stopped with him
Cheers Rick. He was in charge of NZ Transport Forum iirc back then.
Seems to have moved around a fair bit
I wonder what this means for Infrastructure NZ
 
You're pushing all of this onto the council though Rick, and whether consciously or unconsciously highlighting other areas of funding that you disagree with as unimportant, which others not of your political persuasion will no doubt disagree with. In fact you're deliberately highlighting areas that those on the right tend to look down upon with scorn, but hey, that's up to you.

If we're all agreed that there's 40 years of neglect and infrastructure deficit going on here, perhaps there's an underlying mechanism that has contributed to that. More than one maybe - for example privatisation.

Or neoliberalism, which tends to completely drive the policies of our successive governments.

So yes, you would think this would be the priority. And clearly it was, through three waters.
So, you're saying that all those years of council neglect are not their fault? Lets go back to 2004 when the 3 waters, handled solely by the city and Hutt councils was integrated into a council run and operated scheme called Capacity Infrastructure Services. CIS operated the plants until being merged with the rest of the Wellington region councils in 2014, culminating in Wellington Water being formed. Notable that Veolia has been the operator of choice there since 2004 as well, and in the eyes of council(s) must be doing ok as they are still the incumbent.
I'm unsure how you see privatisation as a problem there. Veolia only operate the plants (as they do for many other councils in NZ) They may have an input into Capital Works but that always has been and still is a Council decision. In this case through Wellington 3 Waters

One would think that 20 odd years is enough time to get your shit together (pardon the pun) and get some decent infrastructure going for a basic council requirement.

Unfortunately Neo liberalism is not to blame for all the ills of the world and especially in this case where successive councils have not spent enough or wisely enough of the rate payers hard earned nor borrowed enough to get the job done.

My political persuasion is not the point nor is it driven in this discussion. As I have said, in my opinion the Council has lost the focus of what they are there for and in many cases gone off on vanity and idealistic projects that are again in my view, economic vandalism, when clean water and safe sewage/stormwater disposal should be the major priority of all councilors.

I'm also not putting scorn onto what others think are appropriate items for council to be engaging in, rather it's the cost of said items. My end point still is that if Wellington ratepayers are happy then good luck to them but stay away from the hand wringing and running to Govt for help..

To finish up as the bar is just opening here, people are all different, your idealistic thoughts are not mine for sure. However, that doesn't mean yours are right and mine wrong or vice versa. And in my book that's a fortunate thing.

In fact I really don't know what you stand for at times other than that neo liberalism is the plague of the world. I know a few others have asked this question but I'll throw it out there again, what is it that you really stand for and if not society as it is (warts and all) what is your success plan for the future?
 
You're pushing all of this onto the council though Rick, and whether consciously or unconsciously highlighting other areas of funding that you disagree with as unimportant, which others not of your political persuasion will no doubt disagree with. In fact you're deliberately highlighting areas that those on the right tend to look down upon with scorn, but hey, that's up to you.

If we're all agreed that there's 40 years of neglect and infrastructure deficit going on here, perhaps there's an underlying mechanism that has contributed to that. More than one maybe - for example privatisation.

Or neoliberalism, which tends to completely drive the policies of our successive governments.

So yes, you would think this would be the priority. And clearly it was, through three waters.
Or the underfunding is a result of an underperforming economy.

Grow the pie, productivity, etc, etc.

You will notice big progressive countries have first world infrastructure and countries that don’t earn enough end up with third world stuff.

Grow there, down light over shares of a pathetic little pie.

(We’re talking economic pie, not apple pie)
 
All hail Luxon for bringing Origin to Eden Park!

...
cue the usual complainants:
"nice for some"
"tickets for him and his rich mates"
"but the food is too expensive"
"what about potential coronavirus"
"think about the emissions"
"think of the noise"
"what about island of Origin"
"as a country, we can't afford this"
"there is a war in Palestine, and he goes and does this"
"I bet it is to appease his Mt Eden landlord mates"

etc etc etc
 
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All hail Luxon for bringing Origin to Eden Park!

...
cue the usual complainants:
"nice for some"
"tickets for him and his rich mates"
"but the food is too expensive"
"what about potential coronavirus"
"think about the emissions"
"think of the noise"
"what about island of Origin"
"as a country, we can't afford this"
"there is a war in Palestine, and he goes and does this"
"I bet it is to appease his Mt Eden landlord mates"

etc etc etc
Pre-emptive complaining about complaining is crazy πŸ˜‚
 
All hail Luxon for bringing Origin to Eden Park!

...
cue the usual complainants:
"nice for some"
"tickets for him and his rich mates"
"but the food is too expensive"
"what about potential coronavirus"
"think about the emissions"
"think of the noise"
"what about island of Origin"
"as a country, we can't afford this"
"there is a war in Palestine, and he goes and does this"
"I bet it is to appease his Mt Eden landlord mates"

etc etc etc
Auntie Helen must be out of the country
 
All hail Luxon for bringing Origin to Eden Park!

...
cue the usual complainants:
"nice for some"
"tickets for him and his rich mates"
"but the food is too expensive"
"what about potential coronavirus"
"think about the emissions"
"think of the noise"
"what about island of Origin"
"as a country, we can't afford this"
"there is a war in Palestine, and he goes and does this"
"I bet it is to appease his Mt Eden landlord mates"

etc etc etc
Links pointing to this being the direct result of luxon thanks
 
All hail Luxon for bringing Origin to Eden Park!

...
cue the usual complainants:
"nice for some"
"tickets for him and his rich mates"
"but the food is too expensive"
"what about potential coronavirus"
"think about the emissions"
"think of the noise"
"what about island of Origin"
"as a country, we can't afford this"
"there is a war in Palestine, and he goes and does this"
"I bet it is to appease his Mt Eden landlord mates"

etc etc etc
Uninspiring to be honest, just like the whole administration. I’m sure it will sell out but has no real identity to NZ and nothing more than an exhibition game. Listening to the māori and Aboriginal boys yesterday talking about how much that game means to them and the theatre of it, that’s far more worthy of investment in my view. A smart play would be to recognise the crowd pulling power of Samoa and Tonga-Tonga especially and tapping into that too. Congratulations on getting though, I personally just have no interest in origin and think the games and days that conjure the tough origin era are gone, many enjoy it too though
 
I'm sure you can google to find the many reports in the media today. The government announced last year that it was increasing major events funding to attract big events

However, as it doesn't seem like news you'd like to find, here is a link to a reputable site: https://www.nrl.com/news/2026/02/16/ampol-state-of-origin-heads-to-new-zealand/

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Hardly the great win you think it is. Meanwhile record unemployment, a race to the bottom for wages, record brain drain, massive regression to fossil fuels, corruption everywhere in this government, record rising prices, crises in health, the environment. Climate change deniers, alignment with the us etc etc.

State of o has been in the works a while now doubt, but good on you
 
Uninspiring to be honest, just like the whole administration. I’m sure it will sell out but has no real identity to NZ and nothing more than an exhibition game. Listening to the Maori and Aboriginal boys yesterday talking about how much that game means to them and the theatre of it, that’s far more worthy of investment in my view. A smart play would be to recognise the crowd pulling power of Samoa and Tonga-Tonga especially and tapping into that too. Congratulations on getting though, I personally just have no interest in origin and think the games and days that conjure the tough origin era are gone, many enjoy it too though
Yeah, NZ as the home for a Pacific tourney would be great, I'd agree. Given Origin is increasingly expanding its eligibility, competitions that put Kiwis and Islands league on a pedestal are much-needed
 
Yeah, NZ as the home for a Pacific tourney would be great, I'd agree. Given Origin is increasingly expanding its eligibility, competitions that put Kiwis and Islands league on a pedestal are much-needed
It’ll be a nice little sugar fix for a weekend, but yeah thinking bigger would have been of far more benefit to a sustained event and tapping into the Pacific culture in league that’s really strong. You’d attract Aussie’s too who love the spectacle
 
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