Good to see that attendance is improving. Still a way to go to get it back to last decades levels but steps in the right direction. Everyone should be happy with this. I'm glad there is a focus on improving education and attendance. Its the best way forward IMO
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Unlike you, there's links in my post.
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Seems some big trees were removed from the exact spot of the slip several years ago because they were culturally inappropriate
That's a long bow to stretch mate.Seems some big trees were removed from the exact spot of the slip several years ago because they were culturally inappropriate
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My understanding is Wiz is correct
Trying to use a horrible situation to play the blame game and take a swipe at Māori.
Temporary Mauao closure needed to protect historically significant sites
Full Mauao closure for preservation works We’re temporarily closing Mauao to remove eight large exotic trees on the Pilot Bay/Waikorire side of the maunga (mountain). Several trees fell during Cyclone Gabrielle and others are deteriorating, damaging the archaeological terraces near Te Ara...
www.tauranga.govt.nz
A number of trees – which are visible from Te Ara Tūtanga - are showing significant signs of deterioration and, if left unattended, could further damage the culturally and historically significant site they are sitting on"
These facts about the tree removal seem to be conveniently left out.
The trees removed were also the Pilot Bay side, not above the slip.
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Guess it will all come out in the review.
It’s been a significant local issue where healthy trees are removed for cultural reasons. ‘Damage’ was a convenient excuse and most were healthy but exotic.
I actually don’t have an issue with returning it to a natural state. It’s an Nz icon and should reflect NZ. But you would hope geo tech engineers were involved and decision were made based on science, not beatification.
I agree, I hope the council used those engineers when going through with the removal but as you said I am sure the review will show that.
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I’m guessing Ayesha’s memory isn’t that good since she announced an extension to Wellington Hospital’s ED before the 2023 Election and certainly before Nationals health cuts.This is a direct result of this government's swinging health cuts
Wellington ED in complete metldown.
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“The existing ED isn’t able to meet the growing demand for emergency services across the region. This project will help future-proof Wellington-wide health facilities, so that communities can rely on accessible, quality health services.”
How about the swingeing health cuts that have happened in the last two years Mike, as I mentioned.
And more coming.
Huge levels of unemployment as a result of the last round of cuts.
Tough medicine: Nicola Willis eyes scalpel for health spending in 2026 Budget
The Finance Minister also explains her thinking on fossil fuel imports and asset sales.
Public sector bosses ordered to look again for new cost savings
As the coalition Government struggles with the state of its books, Finance Minister Nicola Willis once again turns to bringing down costs.
newsroom.co.nz
‘Health sacrificed for tax savings’
New Zealand Nurses Organisation Tōpūtanga Tapuhi Kaitiaki o Aotearoa (NZNO) is disappointed by the lack of priority given to health in Finance Minister Nicola Willis’ mini-Budget announcement this afternoon. Kaiwhakahaere Kerri Nuku said the self-praised $7.5 billion saving could have gone...
Does Lester Levy still exist?
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What cuts to health?How about the swingeing health cuts that have happened in the last two years Mike, as I mentioned.
And more coming.
Huge levels of unemployment as a result of the last round of cuts.
Tough medicine: Nicola Willis eyes scalpel for health spending in 2026 Budget
The Finance Minister also explains her thinking on fossil fuel imports and asset sales.www.nzherald.co.nz
Public sector bosses ordered to look again for new cost savings
As the coalition Government struggles with the state of its books, Finance Minister Nicola Willis once again turns to bringing down costs.
‘Health sacrificed for tax savings’
New Zealand Nurses Organisation Tōpūtanga Tapuhi Kaitiaki o Aotearoa (NZNO) is disappointed by the lack of priority given to health in Finance Minister Nicola Willis’ mini-Budget announcement this afternoon. Kaiwhakahaere Kerri Nuku said the self-praised $7.5 billion saving could have gone...www.nzno.org.nz
Asking for savings to spend and efficiencies is a good thing if the overall health budget is growing.
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But the health cuts haven't reduced the capacity of the Wellington ED... the person saying that is Ayesha who had already approved an extension to an under performing ED.How about the swingeing health cuts that have happened in the last two years Mike, as I mentioned.
And more coming.
Huge levels of unemployment as a result of the last round of cuts.
Tough medicine: Nicola Willis eyes scalpel for health spending in 2026 Budget
The Finance Minister also explains her thinking on fossil fuel imports and asset sales.
Public sector bosses ordered to look again for new cost savings
As the coalition Government struggles with the state of its books, Finance Minister Nicola Willis once again turns to bringing down costs.
‘Health sacrificed for tax savings’
New Zealand Nurses Organisation Tōpūtanga Tapuhi Kaitiaki o Aotearoa (NZNO) is disappointed by the lack of priority given to health in Finance Minister Nicola Willis’ mini-Budget announcement this afternoon. Kaiwhakahaere Kerri Nuku said the self-praised $7.5 billion saving could have gone...
It all depends on how you want to measure it... WHO says that NZ spent 10% of it's GDP on public health in 2022 yet National budgeted on 7.3% of the GDP in 2024.... when the economy was shrinking.
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The New Zealand’s health financing and expenditure report reveals that for the past seven years (since 2019) the Ministry of Health has not submitted data to the OECD leaving the organisation to estimate our spending and the estimates are incorrect.
The OECD estimated the New Zealand government spent 9.15 percent of GDP on health in 2022 and 8.83 percent in 2023. However, our research shows when OECD over-estimates and the temporary impact of COVID-19 are adjusted for, spending was more likely around 7.5 percent of GDP in 2022 and 8.15 percent in 2023,” Professor Tim Tenbensel from Waipapa Taumata Rau, University of Auckland, says. Tenbensel co-authored the report with Professor Paula Lorgelly, also from Waipapa Taumata Rau.
New Zealand is the only country not to have submitted its results to the OECD.
Government guessing when it comes to health – University of Auckland
The Ministry of Health has not submitted data to the OECD for many years, leaving the organisation guessing, say two professors in a report commissioned by the senior doctors' union.
www.auckland.ac.nz
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Also in the Auckland University report:
There was a sustained period from 2013 and leading up to the COVID-19 pandemic where New Zealand’s health expenditure as a percentage of GDP declined considerably, falling behind that of comparable countries.
• To keep pace with the 16 comparator countries between 2013 and 2019, New Zealand would have needed to spend approximately $9 billion more on running the health system (or more than $1 billion a year more).
• This underfunding explains the immense pressure New Zealand’s health workforce is under, with severe budget constraints leading to staffing shortages, hiring freezes, and stagnant wage growth.
Funding for health hasn’t kept up with inflation for decades. We all know this visiting hospitals. We also know funding hasn’t kept up in education, roading, social services, etc. labour stopped sending the data in 2019 and didn’t invest any more until Covid hit.
Only solution is to grow the economy through substantially increasing GDP per person in my eyes. If not we continue the spiral of either declining services or increasingly tax ourselves poorer requiring more and more tax to keep up in a continual downwards cycle…
There was a sustained period from 2013 and leading up to the COVID-19 pandemic where New Zealand’s health expenditure as a percentage of GDP declined considerably, falling behind that of comparable countries.
• To keep pace with the 16 comparator countries between 2013 and 2019, New Zealand would have needed to spend approximately $9 billion more on running the health system (or more than $1 billion a year more).
• This underfunding explains the immense pressure New Zealand’s health workforce is under, with severe budget constraints leading to staffing shortages, hiring freezes, and stagnant wage growth.
Funding for health hasn’t kept up with inflation for decades. We all know this visiting hospitals. We also know funding hasn’t kept up in education, roading, social services, etc. labour stopped sending the data in 2019 and didn’t invest any more until Covid hit.
Only solution is to grow the economy through substantially increasing GDP per person in my eyes. If not we continue the spiral of either declining services or increasingly tax ourselves poorer requiring more and more tax to keep up in a continual downwards cycle…
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Not just funding, also wages and let's not talk about the NZ dollar going down the toilet! The whole country needs overhauling!
The following data and chart track New Zealand’s Vote Health appropriations (the primary government health budget) from 2009 to 2028. The bars are color-coded by the governing party, and the dashed line tracks health spending as a percentage of the country's total GDP.
Please note that health spending significantly increased between 2020 and 2022 due to the COVID-19 pandemic response and the structural reforms that created Health New Zealand (Te Whatu Ora).
New Zealand Health Budget & GDP Percentage (2009–2028)
| Year | Health Budget (NZD Billions) | % of GDP | Sitting Prime Minister | Governing Party |
| 2009–2016 | $12.6B → $16.1B | 6.8% → 6.2% | John Key | National |
| 2017 | $16.8B | 6.0% | Bill English | National |
| 2018–2022 | $18.2B → $27.2B | 6.2% → 7.5% | Jacinda Ardern | Labour |
| 2023 | $28.5B | 7.3% | Chris Hipkins | Labour |
| 2024–2025 | $29.8B → $32.7B | 7.2% | Christopher Luxon | National |
| 2026–2028* | $34.1B → $36.9B | 7.1% → 6.9% | Christopher Luxon | National |
Key Observations
- The "Efficiency" Period (2009–2017): Under the National government, the nominal health budget grew steadily, but health spending as a percentage of GDP saw a gradual decline, dropping from 6.8% to a low of 6.0% in 2017.
- The Investment & COVID Surge (2018–2022): The Labour government significantly increased health funding, with a major spike during the COVID-19 pandemic, peaking at 7.5% of GDP in 2022.
- Consolidation (2024–2028): Current projections under the National-led coalition show a record nominal budget of $32.7B for 2025. However, as GDP growth is expected to outpace health budget increases, the percentage of GDP spent on health is projected to taper back toward 6.9% by 2028.
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Stuff
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What a tragedy. Accidents happen unfortunately but the whole picture painted in the article of construction workers making way whenever an ambulance arrives gives such a third world vibe to our health that was evident in recent world changing health events. If this was America, the family would be extremely wealthy out of this sad situation for the negligence
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A UK report has decided that with their current population growth, aging population and inflation rate, the health budget in the UK needs to increase by a minimum of 5% every year just to maintain the current level of service and allow for new technologies.The New Zealand’s health financing and expenditure report reveals that for the past seven years (since 2019) the Ministry of Health has not submitted data to the OECD leaving the organisation to estimate our spending and the estimates are incorrect.
The OECD estimated the New Zealand government spent 9.15 percent of GDP on health in 2022 and 8.83 percent in 2023. However, our research shows when OECD over-estimates and the temporary impact of COVID-19 are adjusted for, spending was more likely around 7.5 percent of GDP in 2022 and 8.15 percent in 2023,” Professor Tim Tenbensel from Waipapa Taumata Rau, University of Auckland, says. Tenbensel co-authored the report with Professor Paula Lorgelly, also from Waipapa Taumata Rau.
New Zealand is the only country not to have submitted its results to the OECD.
Government guessing when it comes to health – University of Auckland
The Ministry of Health has not submitted data to the OECD for many years, leaving the organisation guessing, say two professors in a report commissioned by the senior doctors' union.
Given that NZ’s population and inflation rate growth rates are about the same, to not go backwards from the current systems, NZ Health should be receiving just under $40 billion in 2028…. but, according to Treasury prediction based on the Coalition’s projected budget spend, they’ll be receiving $37 billion…. that’s a shortfall of $3 billion in the health budget below what’s required just to maintain the current system,
While it’s true the health system has never received as much money as it would have, it’s not enough given inflation, population growth and aging population…. more money is just spin from Brown and Willis when it means the system is going backwards because the increases aren’t enough…. Oh, and by the way….. the increases weren’t enough under Clark and Cullen, Key and English or Ardern and Robertson.
NZ Budget 2025: anything less than a 5% increase in health funding amounts to merely standing still
New Zealand spends less on public health as a proportion of GDP than similar countries. Without a significant boost, the health system will remain stressed.
theconversation.com
