Noitall
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Winston would love that, hope he buys him dinner first. A happy meal should suffice. For proud national affiliated press to be turning on them is telling
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defensivebomb
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I donβt think she needs to wade into international affairs, though she certainly is entitled to do so. Trumpβs not exactly the person to respect independence
However, itβs not Peterβs job to announce his criticism of another MPs portfolio. Particularly via social media. He can raise issues directly with Willis if he has a problem
And if Willis has a problem with the RBNZ Governor, she has processes to do so.
Who is Peter trying to communicate to, if heβs doing it by social media? Itβs not really his base - they donβt care about that sort of stuff deeply. Itβs not Willis or the RBNZ governor. He has email and meeting for that. Itβs face saving to the Trump administration, who he canβt arrange a meeting with to smooth things over. Just foreign diplomacy, done using whatever means is the most effective
However, itβs not Peterβs job to announce his criticism of another MPs portfolio. Particularly via social media. He can raise issues directly with Willis if he has a problem
And if Willis has a problem with the RBNZ Governor, she has processes to do so.
Who is Peter trying to communicate to, if heβs doing it by social media? Itβs not really his base - they donβt care about that sort of stuff deeply. Itβs not Willis or the RBNZ governor. He has email and meeting for that. Itβs face saving to the Trump administration, who he canβt arrange a meeting with to smooth things over. Just foreign diplomacy, done using whatever means is the most effective
defensivebomb
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Thinking about it some more, there is a scenario in which both Breman and Peterβs agree beforehand what has transpired:
1. Breman stands in solidarity with other central bankers for separation from the state
2. Peters gets to publicly admonish the RBNZ, and tell the Trump administration it wasnβt him
Thereβs no reason why they couldnβt have agreed this all beforehand. He didnβt say she should be sacked. In fact, it was a pretty soft admonishment
1. Breman stands in solidarity with other central bankers for separation from the state
2. Peters gets to publicly admonish the RBNZ, and tell the Trump administration it wasnβt him
Thereβs no reason why they couldnβt have agreed this all beforehand. He didnβt say she should be sacked. In fact, it was a pretty soft admonishment
You're being very generous to Winston here. Possible though.
Going to be an interesting election. Iβm a self-confessed swing voter and have voted for both National and Labour in recent elections, so Iβm genuinely undecided at this point.
National: If they had a stronger, more charismatic leader, I think theyβd be well placed to win, especially with the economy tipped to bounce back this year. Iβm just not sure I see that in their ranks, although someone like Erica Stanford could potentially fit the bill.
Labour: Chippy isnβt particularly inspiring, and without some strong, clearly defined policies rolled out well before the election, I struggle to see them gaining momentum. A leadership change might be needed here too, especially given some their recent losses.
NZF: Winnie will just look out for Winnie as always.
Act: Probably hold steady, can't see them improving or flailing too much.
Greens: Likely dip, have gone too far toward activism and away from the environment now that James Shaw is gone which is a pity.
TPM: Absolutely screwed. See Labour taking most of their MΔori seats.
Ultimately, I think a lot will come down to the economy and whether people are still feeling the pinch closer to election time. If households start to feel some relief around cost-of-living pressures, voters may be more forgiving. If not, it could simply come down to the usual instinct to vote for something different.
National: If they had a stronger, more charismatic leader, I think theyβd be well placed to win, especially with the economy tipped to bounce back this year. Iβm just not sure I see that in their ranks, although someone like Erica Stanford could potentially fit the bill.
Labour: Chippy isnβt particularly inspiring, and without some strong, clearly defined policies rolled out well before the election, I struggle to see them gaining momentum. A leadership change might be needed here too, especially given some their recent losses.
NZF: Winnie will just look out for Winnie as always.
Act: Probably hold steady, can't see them improving or flailing too much.
Greens: Likely dip, have gone too far toward activism and away from the environment now that James Shaw is gone which is a pity.
TPM: Absolutely screwed. See Labour taking most of their MΔori seats.
Ultimately, I think a lot will come down to the economy and whether people are still feeling the pinch closer to election time. If households start to feel some relief around cost-of-living pressures, voters may be more forgiving. If not, it could simply come down to the usual instinct to vote for something different.
I think that's a pretty fair summation. There are always the set voters who will vote for their party regardless. I think there are a number of people who don't agree with all of what the current government are doing but can see some good signs. There are people who don't like the current government but don't like the thought of a Greens/TPM/Labour one to replace it. And then you have some who will take that chance anyway.
Like some have said on here, it's going to be another close election, with Winston more than likely to be in the position to decide the government again. Unless of course something drastic happens this year to one or more parties.
I really wish we didn't have to rely on Winnie, he jumps whichever way is best for Winnie.
With how close it could be, I wonder if Labour or National will offer being Prime Minister to get him over the line
wizard of Tauranga
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I think democracy has issues.
Parties now release the least amount of policy possible then do stuff with no mandate thatβs unpopular.
Both sides do it and it undermines democracy and has resulted in the disengagement and turn away from the major parties in politics. MMP has made it worse.
I donβt think either party has a mandate if they arenβt upfront with their policies (and coalition agreements just make everything murkier.)
Even worse the popularity of a leader sways voters. Integrity and ideology should matter but the policies should be what we vote on.
Iβm disillusioned and I hope both parties coming up to the election set out a clear vision for their way forward and donβt hide divisive stuff.
Parties now release the least amount of policy possible then do stuff with no mandate thatβs unpopular.
Both sides do it and it undermines democracy and has resulted in the disengagement and turn away from the major parties in politics. MMP has made it worse.
I donβt think either party has a mandate if they arenβt upfront with their policies (and coalition agreements just make everything murkier.)
Even worse the popularity of a leader sways voters. Integrity and ideology should matter but the policies should be what we vote on.
Iβm disillusioned and I hope both parties coming up to the election set out a clear vision for their way forward and donβt hide divisive stuff.
You would have to say that would be extremely unlikely that the Prime Minister would be from a minority party. Some strange things happen though when it comes to wanting to be in power.I really wish we didn't have to rely on Winnie, he jumps whichever way is best for Winnie.
With how close it could be, I wonder if Labour or National will offer being Prime Minister to get him over the line
I don't know if MMP has made things better or worse. Supposedly it gives better representation for the people but essentially it's the same parties that will work together, effectively giving a left and right block which we pretty much had previously. We did have some minor parties that could work with both sides, NZFirst is the only remaining one that will. TPM used to be one too but that's changed with the current leaders. And when it comes to policies, they don't actually mean much (except in the case of the Labour win in 2020) because parties just use the excuse of coalition deals as to why the policy changed or couldn't be met. Its a bit of a charade isn't it.
defensivebomb
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It's bad ehI really wish we didn't have to rely on Winnie, he jumps whichever way is best for Winnie.
With how close it could be, I wonder if Labour or National will offer being Prime Minister to get him over the line
We all get one vote per person. But we effectively all give those votes to Winston, to choose on our behalf
That's on the minor parties though. If any one of them had half a brain they would work with both sides. Winston has all the power because he swings both ways. By picking sides, the minor parties effectively give all their small party power to Winston
The Greens could do the same if they wanted
TOP looks to have cottoned on, but they need to get over the threshold. They should actually appeal to a wide range of NZers
Or we should have changed to that system where your vote goes to your next choice if your original vote doesn't count. Would have given parties like TOP more of a chance with people like me less concerned about wasted votes. That may have been to complex for many to understand given a lot don't still understand the difference between the party vote and electorate vote.
wizard of Tauranga
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I donβt think either party would ever offer him PM.I really wish we didn't have to rely on Winnie, he jumps whichever way is best for Winnie.
With how close it could be, I wonder if Labour or National will offer being Prime Minister to get him over the line
I donβt even think Peters would want it. Despite everything heβs very traditional around parliament history.
Maybe, I feel like Peters still has a lot of ambition in those old bones.
Noitall
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To make NZ great again? NZ first dies with Winston
He's been PM before, as stand in while Jacinda was on maternity leave. I don't know if he does have the desire to be the leader of the country for three years and the added pressures that comes with it
miket12
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I think former Labour mp and police minister Stuart Nash was seen as a future NZ leader.... until his comments on The Platform.
Noitall
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What about the Matua Jones with his fishy fingers?
wizard of Tauranga
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I think he still is. Jones is unelectable.
If heβs announced as a candidate closer to the election, gets elected, then he will be leader by the following election.
The way Nash was targeted shows parties know if they can take him out, they can kill off NZ First long term.
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miket12
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Heaven forbid.... although the imploding in NZF might be worth the price of admission.
