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[Bay39er]

As I say, at least one or more of the three aren't being truthful.

Id suggest all three are by some degree

If anything, Hipkins seems to be getting away with the least amount of scrutiny so far despite the appointments and Coster informing him

This not about politics it is totally about integrity

Having watched the Q&A interview today I was very impressed with Coster

He did not shy away from any of the questions and gave plausible explanations for his actions

He clearly did not want to answer the question re ministers having knowledge of the JV affair and it was only after a significant pause as he gave careful thought did he answer.

He was believable and was open that he did not have formal proof of having advised Hopkins, Mitchell and the IPCA.

As I see it only one of the three are lying

If he did update them then Hipkins response (I have no recollection) could be true and Mitchell is lying

If he didn’t update them then it is he who is lying.

Why I think it is Mitchell who is lying is:
- Why would Coster update him in Nov 24 when he was leaving Police that month
- Why is Mitchell saying he knew nothing about it despite the victim sending emails to his local electorate office
- Why did he call the whole thing a coverup on TV on the day when the report came out but when the public service commissioner stated in accepting Coster’s resignation there was no coverup Mitchell then says he never said there was - this demonstrates that he is being dishonest

While Coster’s reputation maybe damaged in the eyes of some it’s not in my eyes.

I can understand him accepting what JV told him just as I would if a person who I had worked with and had no reason to distrust told me

 

[Inruin]

This not about politics it is totally about integrity

Having watched the Q&A interview today I was very impressed with Coster

He did not shy away from any of the questions and gave plausible explanations for his actions

He clearly did not want to answer the question re ministers having knowledge of the JV affair and it was only after a significant pause as he gave careful thought did he answer.

He was believable and was open that he did not have formal proof of having advised Hopkins, Mitchell and the IPCA.

As I see it only one of the three are lying

If he did update them then Hipkins response (I have no recollection) could be true and Mitchell is lying

If he didn’t update them then it is he who is lying.

Why I think it is Mitchell who is lying is:
- Why would Coster update him in Nov 24 when he was leaving Police that month
- Why is Mitchell saying he knew nothing about it despite the victim sending emails to his local electorate office
- Why did he call the whole thing a coverup on TV on the day when the report came out but when the public service commissioner stated in accepting Coster’s resignation there was no coverup Mitchell then says he never said there was - this demonstrates that he is being dishonest

While Coster’s reputation maybe damaged in the eyes of some it’s not in my eyes.

I can understand him accepting what JV told him just as I would if a person who I had worked with and had no reason to distrust told me

IMO on the weight of what has been released in the media is that both Hipkins and Mitchell had to have an idea of it.

Coster may well be telling the truth in that interview but not making any formal notification and other things he had either done or not done looks like he is at least accountable for some or all of the handling of this.

The other puzzling piece is he says he told Hipkins who denies it and he then told the same account to Deputy Public Service Commissioner Heather Baggott of the McSkimming affair. She has explicitly denied this.

 

[Noitall]

This not about politics it is totally about integrity

Having watched the Q&A interview today I was very impressed with Coster

He did not shy away from any of the questions and gave plausible explanations for his actions

He clearly did not want to answer the question re ministers having knowledge of the JV affair and it was only after a significant pause as he gave careful thought did he answer.

He was believable and was open that he did not have formal proof of having advised Hopkins, Mitchell and the IPCA.

As I see it only one of the three are lying

If he did update them then Hipkins response (I have no recollection) could be true and Mitchell is lying

If he didn’t update them then it is he who is lying.

Why I think it is Mitchell who is lying is:
- Why would Coster update him in Nov 24 when he was leaving Police that month
- Why is Mitchell saying he knew nothing about it despite the victim sending emails to his local electorate office
- Why did he call the whole thing a coverup on TV on the day when the report came out but when the public service commissioner stated in accepting Coster’s resignation there was no coverup Mitchell then says he never said there was - this demonstrates that he is being dishonest

While Coster’s reputation maybe damaged in the eyes of some it’s not in my eyes.

I can understand him accepting what JV told him just as I would if a person who I had worked with and had no reason to distrust told me

My gut feeling out of the 4 including Brian Roche would be to lean towards Coster’s recollection over the other 3

 

[Inruin]

My gut feeling out of the 4 including Brian Roche would be to lean towards Coster’s recollection over the other 3

I'd be very hesitant to lean towards any of them if I'm honest.

 

[Noitall]

IMO on the weight of what has been released in the media is say both Hipkins and Mitchell had to have an idea of it.

Coster may well be telling the truth in that interview but not making any formal notification and other things he had either done or not done looks like he is at least accountable for some or all of the handling of this.

Yeah I’d probably lean towards that and in fairness he’s not shying away from any responsibility and accepts his part. That’s why I personally lean towards his version of events than the others. I think though in saying that, there are a few instances as Bay39er pointed out where Mitchell may have some further questions put to him? Potentially Hipkins too?

 

[Bay39er]

IMO on the weight of what has been released in the media is that both Hipkins and Mitchell had to have an idea of it.

Coster may well be telling the truth in that interview but not making any formal notification and other things he had either done or not done looks like he is at least accountable for some or all of the handling of this.

The other puzzling piece is he says he told Hipkins who denies it and he then told the same account to Deputy Public Service Commissioner Heather Baggott of the McSkimming affair. She has explicitly denied this.

What I heard reported was that Hipkins had no recollection not that he denied it

 

[Noitall]

I'd be very hesitant to lean towards any of them if I'm honest.

What’s now known has come from an investigation into the situation so loosely there’s an understanding of many of the factors, you rightly pointed out that his not documenting or in some way making it known he’s alerted the avenues he says is on himself, as he concedes himself. Who else knew about it and when is going to be what’s pursued now

 

[Inruin]

What I heard reported was that Hipkins had no recollection not that he denied it

Ahh the old political get out of jail free card

 

[Noitall]

On another matter from that episode of q and a this morning was the mention of Luxon’s turned down invitation to appear on the show. The one political show, you would think there would be a willingness to come on and answer a few hard questions and reassure the public that the current government are on the path they sought out to be. Peters and Upston were others mentioned that had declined invitations on other occasions. Really think this show is so important and good to see tvnz keeping it going next year

 

[Bay39er]

Ahh the old political get out of jail free card

As I said it’s not about politics no matter how hard you try to make it

 

[Inruin]

As I said it’s not about politics no matter how hard you try to make it

I'm not trying at all. In fact, as I've said I wouldn't trust completely what any of them have said.

 

[Noitall]

I'm not trying at all. In fact, as I've said I wouldn't trust completely what any of them have said.

With Coster gone from his role, it seems like there’d be less chance of him to be the one being dishonest about the other 3’s knowledge as he doesn’t really have a lot to gain out of doing it? The other 3 are obviously active in their jobs but all I could see Coster’s motives being would be to either take people down with him or to try and lay blame elsewhere in pursuit of his next role, though again he doesn’t seem to be trying to minimise anything and takes full responsibility

 

[Inruin]

all I could see Coster’s motives being would be to either take people down with him or to try and lay blame elsewhere in pursuit of his next role,

I don't know but I guess saying he told Hipkins, the Deputy PS Commissioner and Mitchell (all who deny or don't recall being told) is somewhat better than being the guy that knew and told no one, and better for any future roles

Think there is still a lot to play out here.

 

[Inruin]

Seems to be some serious bullying allegations against Willie Jackson and his wife out there currently....

If true, they don't seem to be terribly defensible

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Desktop assessment

I hope you went back and said no, it's not acceptable to me

And this is just one of the 17 iwi we have had to consult… I’m still waiting for all the lefties on here to defend this extortion.

What the difference between them having a high cultural interest in our septic system and them deciding to have a high cultural interest in if you wanted to put a trampoline in your back yard and charging you a fortune.

Say nothing now and just wait for them to come for you…

This is real. This is race based extortion in action in NZ.


Note: our system is all designed by engineers to have no effect on the environment and has been monitored every year for the past 15 years without exceeding its limits or affecting the ground and is all contained on our site.

 

[Bay39er]

And this is just one of the 17 iwi we have had to consult… I’m still waiting for all the lefties on here to defend this extortion.

What the difference between them having a high cultural interest in our septic system and them deciding to have a high cultural interest in if you wanted to put a trampoline in your back yard and charging you a fortune.

Say nothing now and just wait for them to come for you…

This is real. This is race based extortion in action in NZ.


Note: our system is all designed by engineers to have no effect on the environment and has been monitored every year for the past 15 years without exceeding its limits or affecting the ground and is all contained on our site.

In this case it is just the cost of doing business so suck it up & it has nothing to do with “all the lefties”

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

In this case it is just the cost of doing business so suck it up & it has nothing to do with “all the lefties”

Extortion is only a cost of doing business in a banana republic.

This is woke, left identity politics in action.

Nothing to do with the treaty or a partnership or guardianship over the land. Our engineers have addressed all the issues.

I’m voting for Act and NZ first while we have race based policies that enable a race based gravy train!

 

[BabylonPink]

And this is just one of the 17 iwi we have had to consult… I’m still waiting for all the lefties on here to defend this extortion.

What the difference between them having a high cultural interest in our septic system and them deciding to have a high cultural interest in if you wanted to put a trampoline in your back yard and charging you a fortune.

Say nothing now and just wait for them to come for you…

This is real. This is race based extortion in action in NZ.


Note: our system is all designed by engineers to have no effect on the environment and has been monitored every year for the past 15 years without exceeding its limits or affecting the ground and is all contained on our site.

I'd tell you to get stuffed too wiz. Only because I could smell the entitlement on you.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

I'd tell you to get stuffed too wiz. Only because I could smell the entitlement on you.

Just to be clear, you would be happy to pay the local iwi $800 if you wanted to add a second toilet to your house?

You think that’s reasonable or are you entitled and racist?

NZ is a laughing stock internationally and seen as a third world country to do business and we’re all paying in higher prices to buy off meaningless approvals

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2506/S00249/revealed-ikea-consent-shows-why-we-cant-have-nice-things.htm

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

In this case it is just the cost of doing business so suck it up & it has nothing to do with “all the lefties”

No more crocodile tears about the record number of businesses going broke please. You are living in an alternative reality where 1 + 1 doesn’t equal 2