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China was the clever one and we just went broke!Turns out ignoring climate change is damaging in more ways than one
Officials warn of damage to diplomatic relations in secret climate change memo
The advice was mistakenly released by the Ministry for the Environment.www.rnz.co.nz
Any citations to look at Mike?
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Only personal ones from three properties we've owned in Goodwood Heights.... the change in rent is based on our rental property.
The current median NZ house value (June 2025) was from this site...
opespartners.co.nz/property-markets
The current median household annual income was from....
stats.govt.nz/information-releases/household-income-and-housing-cost-statistics-year-ended-june-2024
The 2023 median NZ house value was from....
oneroof.c.nz/news/oneroof-house-price-report-december-2023-44717
The 2023 median household annual income was from....
figure.nz/chart/m7ATLWsKNY6MYKQI
The chart below summarises the information obtained from the four sites above...
Copilot used the information from the worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/affordable-housing-by country website to show how NZ's affordability of 6.3 (from chart above) rates with other OECD countries in the current year (note.... their figure for NZ doesn't match the figures according to stats nz and figure.nz moving NZ from 25th to 35th). Even if you want to use the WPR figures, to go from having the 4th highest affordability index in the OECD to the 25th is still pretty impressive.
Housing affordability 2023 from WPR....
Housing affordability 2025 from copilot using figures from the WPR site....
Going a bit deeper in the figures, Barfoot and Thompson's figures, comparing 2017 to 2025, show that rent for in Goodwood Heights, South Auckland, has gone up 24% while the median house values from sales in the suburb have gone up 27%. While those percentages are different from the one's I've stated, it still shows a huge gap between historical increases and the ones since 2017.
Auckland suburb report July 2025 | Barfoot & Thompson
Auckland suburb property prices. Average house prices, weekly rent and gross yield for three-bedroom properties across Auckland in July 2025.
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It will be interesting to see if changes are made in the future to allow for the privatisation of water supply. Under the Local Government (Water Services) Bill, councils can contract out the water services to private entities, but the ownership of the assets would remain in council hands.I agree wholeheartedly with this comment. Note that the article refers to three waters continuously when it is in fact talking about the current coalition government context
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Face it, Labour stuffed it up and the public rejected it.I agree wholeheartedly with this comment. Note that the article refers to three waters continuously when it is in fact talking about the current coalition government context
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There was no problem being solved (transferring out of council control) and there is no risk of privatisation under council control.
Ideological disaster which has failed everywhere else in the word.
Please remember that Peter Thompson from Barfoot & Thomson predicted that if covid was to hit NZ the arse would fall out of the housing marketGoing a bit deeper in the figures, Barfoot and Thompson's figures, comparing 2017 to 2025, show that rent for in Goodwood Heights, South Auckland, has gone up 24% while the median house values from sales in the suburb have gone up 27%. While those percentages are different from the one's I've stated, it still shows a huge gap between historical increases and the ones since 2017.
Auckland suburb report July 2025 | Barfoot & Thompson
Auckland suburb property prices. Average house prices, weekly rent and gross yield for three-bedroom properties across Auckland in July 2025.www.barfoot.co.nz
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Three Waters failed because it was a dog.
It was going to transfer the control of assets from the owners to an unelected group that wasn''t answerable to the owners.
Imagine if you owned a car and the government said you'll still own and use it, but the neighbour will hold the keys from now on, and has the final say on how you drive it?
It would have been the same result if the governing body of Three Waters was made up of church elders, or scout leaders, or eskimos. The group was unelected and the electorate had no recourse - regarding an asset it owns.
The policy failed because Labour underestimated the intelligence of the electorate. The electorate was tired of being gaslit. Three Waters was Labour pulling a swifty, and it got caught out. Do you think that after voting Labour in in 2020, those same people became racist by the next election? Of course not. Blaming the failure of a policy on racism just shows the ignorance of those pushing the policy. They didn't have the grace or EQ to stop and think "hmmm.... maybe the problem is with the policy?" Of course not. They thought the policy was perfect and. the electorate was a bunch of racists
If Labour goes into the next election believing that the only reason people support National is because they are racist, they will lose again.
It was going to transfer the control of assets from the owners to an unelected group that wasn''t answerable to the owners.
Imagine if you owned a car and the government said you'll still own and use it, but the neighbour will hold the keys from now on, and has the final say on how you drive it?
It would have been the same result if the governing body of Three Waters was made up of church elders, or scout leaders, or eskimos. The group was unelected and the electorate had no recourse - regarding an asset it owns.
The policy failed because Labour underestimated the intelligence of the electorate. The electorate was tired of being gaslit. Three Waters was Labour pulling a swifty, and it got caught out. Do you think that after voting Labour in in 2020, those same people became racist by the next election? Of course not. Blaming the failure of a policy on racism just shows the ignorance of those pushing the policy. They didn't have the grace or EQ to stop and think "hmmm.... maybe the problem is with the policy?" Of course not. They thought the policy was perfect and. the electorate was a bunch of racists
If Labour goes into the next election believing that the only reason people support National is because they are racist, they will lose again.
Peter Thompson, Peter Thiel, Peter Williams, I don't trust any of them. And I still don't know who Peter Puffer is, some old leaguey from the 70s was he.Please remember that Peter Thompson from Barfoot & Thomson predicted that if covid was to hit NZ the arse would fall out of the housing market
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Undoubtedly there was a rich vein of anti māori dog whistling in the campaign against Three Waters.
Co governance limits the possibility privatisation - which is why Act and their lobby groups campaigned they way they did & in such bad faith.
This same vein that has continued with this government in power... reversing place names, changing the passport, Removing Reo place names, removing Te Reo from school books.
Not only that the Government campaigned they could do water reform cheaper... which they have now back tracked on - so pretty disingenuous all round.
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The more I ready this post - The more ridiculous your little analogy is. To not mentioned the commitments made in the Treaty while mentioning church elders, scout leader or eskimos is really really poor. Honestly do better.
The policy didnt fail - Labour lost the election.
Perhaps Labour failed to explain three waters properly - but that was in the face of some disingenuous lobbying & anti māori dog whistling that has continued since.
The ideological disaster, apart from yourself of course Wiz, is this current hard right sell out authoritarian government made up of National (who? Oh yeah, Seymour's bitch), ACT (hard right fascist authoritarian neolibs bowing to their project 2025 Atlas masters) and NZ First (The home of conspiracy).
OOO BUT THE BOGEYMAN LEFT!!!! You need to get some sense of proportion. All on the right do. Take a hard look at who you're supporting.
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Well, Hipkins threw it onto the policy bonfire and the MP that had been tasked with getting the electorate to accept it ended her 27 year political career after losing her seat to a newbie. All after Labour threw the kitchen sink at implementing it, luring councils to provide feedback, then bribing them to accept, then making it compulsory. Let’s face it, it was a dog.
Would it have made water infrastructure cheaper? Maybe / probably. The economies of funding scale would have accessed lower margins. But that’s a fallacy to argue, because it couldn’t get off the ground.
There was plenty to dislike about the policy. Grasshopper and ant unfairness between various councils spring to mind, among others. It was a perfect illustration of Labour’s hubris last cycle
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interesting you are now trying to present this as purely a policy decision by the electorate…
But you were the guy conflating our treaty partner as having the same rights as boy scouts or church leaders, highlighting the willful ignorance that dominated this topic & discussion
Wait, so Three Waters was a treaty issue??? I didn’t see it being sold as such
Silly me. I thought it was about fixing pipes, like it said on the tin
I'm not surprised private school boys fail to grasp the nuance on the topic.
Water is a natural resource / treasure explicitly accounted for in the treaty - which is why Iwi have the right to be a part of the decision making process of the resource.
To make the comparison you did or ignore this context of the topic makes you seem either ignorant OR racist? You chose...
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You’re completely right!!!! Anyone who thinks differently from you is either ignorant or racist. Very “nuanced” take you’ve made there
Or maybe you could simply admit māori have more legal rights than scouts on the topic of the countries management natural resources?
So yes take your pick
