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wizard of Tauranga
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If Luxon gets rolled it probably doesnβt change the next election result.
Itβs actually Hipkins that needs rolling to make a difference.
Itβs actually Hipkins that needs rolling to make a difference.
Anyone offering odds on which party changes leader first?
Noitall
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You just concentrate on staying afloat sailor
John Nick
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That bits optional.
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The war is over the rare earth resources and gas fields in the east isn't it, 90% of Ukraine's wealth, Russia doesn't have full control of them yet. Should Zelensky give them up in a peace deal? Probably should take the deal at the current border, before they lose more territory.Delaying for more funds.
The loser doesn't get to dictate terms, that's been the case since the dawn of time. So if Ukraine cant win, cant dictate terms, why on earth would a leader be delaying cessation while thousands are still dying? Ohh "more aid" got it...
Ukraine is calling for more support from Australia and other nations to fend off Russia's invasion ahead of a major diplomatic meeting.
PM lauds Ukraine support as eyes turn to Trump meeting
Australia has reaffirmed support for peace on Ukraine's terms as European Union leaders prepare to flank the Ukrainian...www.canberratimes.com.au
miket12
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One of the more ridiculous things some councils were doing was requiring farmers to apply for Resource Consents for land usage when putting in new farm tracks in case they went over the thirty percent impervious limitβ¦. In other words, a minimum of 70% of the farm had to remain grass, planting, wet land etc. The stupid thing is that no dairy farm in NZ would survive at the amount of land not being available for feed.
Last minute RMA changes 'cave to farm lobby'
Minister defends amendments as pragmatic, so thousands of farmers don't have to get consent for things they''re already doing. 'It's not a free-for-allβ. David Williams reports.newsroom.co.nz
So, most farmers just went and built them anyway and ignored the DPs which called for it.
Things like run off, fencing to keep stock from water ways, discharge into water ways and planting around them, new structures, etc do need to be controlled but some of the things that needed consent were actually of no common sense what so ever.
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Something for people on both sides of the political spectrum to considerβ¦..from someone most likely to vote again for the Topping the Cats Partyβ¦. before the last election, about this far out, a number of forum members posted they wouldnβt consider voting for National as (I) National hadnβt released any policy, (iI) National hadnβt offer an alternative to the Labour governmentβ¦ just spent their time criticising them, and (iii) offered nothing to the public as to what of their potential coalition parties policies they would accept or reject.
Since Labour is now following Nationalβs pre election playbook from the last election, are you holding Labour up to the same scrutiny as you did Nationalβ¦. or vote as youβve always doneβ¦. forgetting what you said last time.
And those towards the right, are you now thinking of how Labour isnβt offering any policy or talking about potential policies of the Greens and MΔori parties, thinking thereβs no substance to them, even though you defended National last time for doing the same thing.
Or, is it all for nothing and youβll just keep voting as youβve always doneβ¦.. itβs mine and Iβm not giving it up so Iβll vote right or theyβve got more than they need so Iβll vote leftβ¦. despite what the supporting/minor parties may require from Red Chris (or McAnulty) or Blue Chris (or Willis).
Since Labour is now following Nationalβs pre election playbook from the last election, are you holding Labour up to the same scrutiny as you did Nationalβ¦. or vote as youβve always doneβ¦. forgetting what you said last time.
And those towards the right, are you now thinking of how Labour isnβt offering any policy or talking about potential policies of the Greens and MΔori parties, thinking thereβs no substance to them, even though you defended National last time for doing the same thing.
Or, is it all for nothing and youβll just keep voting as youβve always doneβ¦.. itβs mine and Iβm not giving it up so Iβll vote right or theyβve got more than they need so Iβll vote leftβ¦. despite what the supporting/minor parties may require from Red Chris (or McAnulty) or Blue Chris (or Willis).
wizard of Tauranga
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Labour will change red Chris before the election. Late, so as to limit the time the public has to see them as negative opposition (as Labour did with Ardern).
So National needs to decide now if they change leader early and have the established candidate come election or stick with Luxon.
I think National changing close to the election and at the same time as Labour will come across poorly for National. βGovt in disarray vs Labour reinvigoratingβ.
I donβt think Willis is a good choice either (negativity tainted being finance minister during a recession).
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Noitall
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Really comes down to whether youβre happy with the performance so far and the trajectory. Iβm pretty sure most now realise that this is 3 on 3 and which major party wins when voting for the minor party, though I could see greens being much more strategic under Swarbrick and wouldnβt be surprised to see greens go either way to form a government. As the saying goes that you canβt make changes from the outside. Very close election judging by the wayward polls and that indicates that thereβs a dissatisfaction at least to some degree. Being around construction like yourself, the downturn has been severe to the point thereβs finally some questions being asked about the lack of stimulation. One thing doesnβt change in the polls though for national and for Luxon and thatβs his personal failure to resonate with the public
miket12
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Interestingly, it's normally the farming sector, and not government stimulus, which brings about a recovery in NZ after a recession... and it's happening this time again with high prices for meat and dairy prices worldwide. Problem is that domestically, we're paying more for them as well. Back in the '70s, Muldoon got around this by subsidising farmers meaning farmers were paid the equivalent of 40 cents for a pint of milk when it was sold in NZ for 4 cents a bottle. Kept inflation down for a little while but it was a "false economy" and by the early 80's, inflation was rampant and jumped up to 16% and Rogernomics was born under Lange.
For a bit of "light reading" (guaranteed to send you to sleep), here's a paper on NZ's recession and recovery history since WW2....
While it's good for farmers that there's a recovery happening for them, it's bad for the rest of us as food inflation is continuing to rise.
It would also pay for those who would rather go back to the "good ole days" of Muldoon's era (i.e. before neo lib) that the protectionism then was far more "in favour" of the rich landowners than the workers and also meant the highest tax bracket was over 80%.... when Rogernomics halved the top tax bracket, everyone was confused as to why the amount of personal tax money the government received increased.... because those avoiding paying tax decided instead to pay what they thought was "reasonable".... food for thought for those favouring a "wealth tax" in NZ.
Another thing that's interesting is that, according to the paper above, NZ usually takes around 4 years to recover from a recession.... all the talk from Willis, Treasury and even a recovery under a new "Labour government" doesn't suit the historical timeline of a "recovery" for the entire country (and not just the rural sector) for at least another 2-3 years. Sorry, but those thinking that there's going to be a big recovery before the next election that will sweep National back into power, better think again.
Can we keep this post in highlights so that next year we can determine whether the Oracle of Tauranga does in fact know what he is talking about?
wizard of Tauranga
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You are picking Labour dumps him early (before the end of the year)?
Hipkins had that runway taking over from ardern, had a honeymoon bump in the polls then it all came crashing down:
If I was opposition I would want to go into the election still in the honeymoon phase like Ardern did. Best for the party and new leader.
Ps Hipkins staying on isnβt going to happen. Damaged goods.
wizard of Tauranga
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Good stuff. More money in peopleβs pockets to spend in the economy propping up businesses and pushing us towards good times come election next year.
I should look at a holiday with my savings!
John Nick
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How about those that will never be able to afford a house - bet they don't have "good times"
Post conviction name suppression? Does anyone even care about kids in NZ?
Of the rich, by the rich, for the rich
- by that I mean the privileged get name suppression a lot easier
