1) Funny that others strive on the same "systemic issues" I wonder what the difference is?
2) IQ
3) This is hardly unique to MΔori.
4) Early Eastern Europeans and Asian cultures highly prized education even though the parents weren't educated. Again, I dont think its worthwhile to ascribe morality to it. MΔori lived a warlike existence until very recently. Culture self selects the traits it needs to survive. So the willingness and ability to conduct violence was highly valued trait for a very long time.
5) PS
@tyrael since you seem genuinely interested , see the new discussions that suggest that
crime leads to poverty and not the inverse.
1) Can you show me where they thrive? Indigenous people all over the world are all at the disadvantage.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/1471-2458-14-201
2) How do people get IQ though? Most of it is from parents and then education. But it's pretty dismissive to say getting out of intergenerational trauma is due to IQ. There are smart women who are/were in abusive relationships and stayed. It's not due to IQ.
3) Not unique to MΔori but again, if you can show me where these cultures thrive due to being down trodden by the system, let me know.
4) I didn't know about violence being a high valued trait so I had to ask chatgpt (see below). But also, like many societies including european ones, violence was valued to a certain extent.
In regards to education, it's about the society. In Asian cultures and I'm talking mostly Chinese culture which affected Japanese and Korean cultures, was that education was number 1. Educated people were the most prized and kings deferred to them. It was something to look up to. So even if you weren't educated, you admired and looked up to these people and wish your child was like that. European societies weren't like this because of a Royal/King/Caesar model where they were held high (chosen by God) because they were born into it or due to war.
5) Interesting. As an opinion piece, not false but leaves a lot out and blows up what it wants to convey. Inequity is a bigger driver of crime. You'll see it in recent examples like when crime spikes such as petrol syphoning/driving off without paying. These people were probably poor before but it comes to a point where they can't even get the basics; inequity (same with supermarket stealing spree). It's also a large reason why they join gangs.
I know you probably hate Chris Hipkins but if you would humour me and watch 3 minutes of this video.
View: https://youtu.be/NwEuwBg99Cc?si=DjpDZxbSpEUrcvga&t=640 should start at 10min 40sec and watch until 13mins 17sec (less than 3 minutes!)
Below is from #4 that I didn't know and had to look up
What research shows
Anthropology and history suggest that in many pre-modern societies:
- Warfare and conflict were sometimes common, especially over land, resources, or status
- Warriors could hold status, particularly for courage, defence of the group, or leadership
- But violence was usually regulated, not randomβthere were rules, rituals, and limits
This applies across very different regionsβfrom parts of New Zealand to the Americas, Africa, and Eurasia.
Example: MΔori (New Zealand)
Among MΔori, warfare (
taua) was an important part of life in some periods before large-scale European contact.
- Warrior skill and bravery were respected
- Concepts like mana (status, authority) and utu (reciprocity, balance) shaped conflict
- Violence was purpose-driven (e.g., retaliation, defence, restoring balance), not arbitrary
Importantly, MΔori society also strongly valued:
- Kinship and cooperation (whanaungatanga)
- Spiritual beliefs and ritual
- Leadership, knowledge, and diplomacy
So warfare existed, but it was
one part of a much broader value system.
. (nor is that the #1 rule in the hood)
