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[wizard of Tauranga]

Thing is that pretty much everyone who votes for National or Labour give very little thought as to who they would be going into coalition with.... such is their blindness to either Blue Chris or Red Chris.

Think of it this way... National are currently being propped up by a party wanting to have an unelected official go through Acts of Parliament to see if bills need to be altered to suit their regulation stance while Labour will need the support of a party who wants all bills to be examined by a Commissioner to make sure it meets their parties idea of what the Treaty says...

What’s all the fuss about the bill to regulate regulations?

It's been overshadowed by another piece of Act Party legislation, but the Regulatory Standards Bill has some critics equally concerned.

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Te Pāti Māori re-commits to Te Tiriti Commissioner

It will be a bottom line for any potential coalition negotiations at next year's election, the party says.

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Regulatory standards bills a storm in a teacup.

The unelected officials make ‘non-binding recommendations‘ to MPs so similar to treasury’s or commerce commission or any other govt department.

I don’t know what the fuss is all about really.

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

Regulatory standards bills a storm in a teacup.

The unelected officials make ‘non-binding recommendations‘ to MPs so similar to treasury’s or commerce commission or any other govt department.

I don’t know what the fuss is all about really.

Agreed, there’s absolutely nothing to see on this issue. It’s common practice and an attempt by the left to create a problem.

 

[Rick O’Shay]

Green shoots starting to appear? Very anecdotal I know but I've started to see a bit more enquiry for projects. Whether this is too late or there will be enough evidence of a "recovery" to prevent the current government from being a "One-Term Pony" remains to be seen.

One for you Mike, found it the other day

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

One for you Mike, found it the other day

And that’s why they keep trying to fix roads, etc that aren’t broken…

 

[MrFrankWhite]

don’t know what the fuss is all about really.

Yes you do. Everyone does

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Beginning of the end for Australia. NZ on the same track

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

Beginning of the end for Australia. NZ on the same track

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Aging population obviously being a big component of that. However it’s a serious problem.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Aging population obviously being a big component of that. However it’s a serious problem.

Aged pension is less than 25% of the total welfare spend. NDIS, aged care, careers support easily out strip it.

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

Aged pension is less than 25% of the total welfare spend. NDIS, aged care, careers support easily out strip it.

Yes but aged care etc is obviously aging population related. Key message here is that those that can work should work and should do so as productively as possible!

 

[Rick O’Shay]

Aging population obviously being a big component of that. However it’s a serious problem.

Think it is something like 65% of the population in NZ get some money off the Govt and that's not wages.

Some guy on the radio the other day had an interesting point of view. Reckons that superannuants should be applauded and protected. They are the biggest recipient group getting money from the Govt and they also spend most of what they get. His point was that retail and services would go through the floor if the pension was reduced.

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

Think it is something like 65% of the population in NZ get some money off the Govt and that's not wages.

Some guy on the radio the other day had an interesting point of view. Reckons that superannuants should be applauded and protected. They are the biggest recipient group getting money from the Govt and they also spend most of what they get. His point was that retail and services would go through the floor if the pension was reduced.

Not sure I agree with that - they’re spending money generated by other people. Sure they might spend most of what they receive however even if 100% of that spend was continually recycled through our economy (which it isn’t) then overall we only breakeven on them.

 

[Rick O’Shay]

Not sure I agree with that - they’re spending money generated by other people. Sure they might spend most of what they receive however even if 100% of that spend was continually recycled through our economy (which it isn’t) then overall we only breakeven on them.

That's true but the money is cycling through the economy and if it wasn't it would give the govt more excuses to spend our taxpayers money on crap for no effect. They seem to be good at that.

 

[Worried2Death]

Aged pension is less than 25% of the total welfare spend. NDIS, aged care, careers support easily out strip it.

They all seem to be necessary spends, what's the alternative, let the elderly and disabled starve?

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

They all seem to be necessary spends, what's the alternative, let the elderly and disabled starve?

I’d happily let that contingent that willingly don’t work despite being entirely capable of doing so starve.

 

[Worried2Death]

I’d happily let that contingent that willingly don’t work despite being entirely capable of doing so starve.

Yeah but how many of them are there really, 5%? Don't think focusing on that is solving the problem, there are checks and sanctions now anyway for that small cache of chronic malingerers.

 

[John Nick]

I’d happily let that contingent that willingly don’t work despite being entirely capable of doing so starve.

Whether you admit to it or not there's always going to be a section of society that will be a drain on the system one way or the other
Hospitals, prisons, rehabilitation, housing, mental health,.The list goes on and in the meantime political parties blame each other and promise to provide a solution if you vote for them

 

[MrFrankWhite]

They all seem to be necessary spends, what's the alternative, let the elderly and disabled starve?

“necessary spends”. Talk about the Devouring Mother, Jung would be proud.

I guess burn it all down so for a brief millisecond in time, life for a brief few is barely close to being fair.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Yeah but how many of them are there really, 5%? Don't think focusing on that is solving the problem, there are checks and sanctions now anyway for that small cache of chronic malingerers.

5%?! Bro you’re taking the piss. There’s 20% at private firms that are dead weight. Anything close to public money is the Pareto principle. 20/80.

 

[Worried2Death]

“necessary spends”. Talk about the Devouring Mother, Jung would be proud.

I guess burn it all down so for a brief millisecond in time, life for a brief few is barely close to being fair.

Pretty sure you just called me a stupid mf, ehh maybe you're right, burn it all down then.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Pretty sure you just called me a stupid mf

Huh? How do you get that?