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MrFrankWhite said:
And you’d be wrong. Iran has pretty impressive domestic military manufacturing capabilities.
They probably lack sophisticated targeting, but they certainly have the munitions
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As they are allied to Russia the probably have the targeting and hypersonic capability. Easily supplied through the Caucasus. Did you know that generally known as Persian the population is 60% caucasian
 

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watcher said:
As they are allied to Russia the probably have the targeting and hypersonic capability. Easily supplied through the Caucasus. Did you know that generally known as Persian the population is 60% caucasian
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While yes they are allied to Russia, hypersonic targeting is cutting edge weapons dev and countries are hesitant to release new stuff that even to allies. Israel was so pissed the USA tried to give them the slightly downgraded F35, they stole the plans...

Iran may have the domestic ability regardless.

Your last point is why the US over threw the shah, so they could use the caucus ranges to spy on Russia
 
MrFrankWhite said:
While yes they are allied to Russia, hypersonic targeting is cutting edge weapons dev and countries are hesitant to release new stuff that even to allies. Israel was so pissed the USA tried to give them the slightly downgraded F35, they stole the plans...

Iran may have the domestic ability regardless.

Your last point is why the US over threw the shah, so they could use the caucus ranges to spy on Russia
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They also kept supplying Islamic terrorists that lead to the Beslan school massacre.
 
miket12 said:
Isn't it amazing that Israel can target individual apartments nearly 2,500km to kill an Iranian scientist but has to take out a whole building/suburb to kill a member of Hamas just over the border.

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The way I see it, this conflict is thousands of years old with no feasible solution between two people that can’t live with each other.

I believe Israel has reflected that dropping a nuclear bomb on Japan was a wicked short term catastrophe that ended up saving lives in the long term. I believe they are doing a thinly veiled genocide with the same aim.

Can anyone on here propose a better solution that will work?
 
wizard of Tauranga said:
The way I see it, this conflict is thousands of years old with no feasible solution between two people that can’t live with each other.

I believe Israel has reflected that dropping a nuclear bomb on Japan was a wicked short term catastrophe that ended up saving lives in the long term. I believe they are doing a thinly veiled genocide with the same aim.

Can anyone on here propose a better solution that will work?
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The extreme Islamic gover nment of Iran, the extreme Zionism of Israel and the terroristic leadership of the Gaza/zpalestinians. All are contdibuting to this mess. Then you have the blind, heavy handed support of Israel by the US.

First all must accept that Israel has a right to exist, the Palestini s deserve their own state and have a right to exist. As do the Iranians who have ex isted over 5000 years.

the peoples of Israel and Iran have to decide whether their leaders have their best interests at heart. Irans extremism Has been apparent from the 70s. Same as the extreme Zionism of the Israelis.

American foreign policy is driven by domestic support of Israel. Remember it was Netanyahu started the Iraq mass destruction weapons lie. Perso ally I recall laims of Iran about to have a nuke for a obout 30 years. Despotic leaders with internal problems, as they all have,, need en enemy. Until that changes there will.be no change.
 
watcher said:
The extreme Islamic gover nment of Iran, the extreme Zionism of Israel and the terroristic leadership of the Gaza/zpalestinians. All are contdibuting to this mess. Then you have the blind, heavy handed support of Israel by the US.

First all must accept that Israel has a right to exist, the Palestini s deserve their own state and have a right to exist. As do the Iranians who have ex isted over 5000 years.

the peoples of Israel and Iran have to decide whether their leaders have their best interests at heart. Irans extremism Has been apparent from the 70s. Same as the extreme Zionism of the Israelis.

American foreign policy is driven by domestic support of Israel. Remember it was Netanyahu started the Iraq mass destruction weapons lie. Perso ally I recall laims of Iran about to have a nuke for a obout 30 years. Despotic leaders with internal problems, as they all have,, need en enemy. Until that changes there will.be no change.
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So they all are extreme in their positions, all have a right to be there and all don’t want the others there.

Cant see a solution when they all feel like victims and any solution, anyway is seen as exacerbating that victimhood.
 
MrFrankWhite said:
No country has a “right” to exist.
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There wasn’t as much of an issue when the Ottoman Empire controlled the land that Israel and Palestine both now fight over.

Would a solution be to remove both as an independent country and have an external organisation administering the land in the best interests of both Israel and Palestine (eg the UN).

Never going to happen probably but the only solution I can see. A respected 3rd party that takes the victimhood out of it?
 
wizard of Tauranga said:
There wasn’t as much of an issue when the Ottoman Empire controlled the land that Israel and Palestine both now fight over.

Would a solution be to remove both as an independent country and have an external organisation administering the land in the best interests of both Israel and Palestine (eg the UN).

Never going to happen probably but the only solution I can see. A respected 3rd party that takes the victimhood out of it?
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Wasnt an issue with Czechoslovakia either. Countries don't have individual rights and its not codified anywhere that they do.
 
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