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    Cricket is looking after itself in backing Eden Park over an Auckland waterfront stadium while also concealing the added costs from the public
    So New Zealand Cricket has decided to throw its two cents’ worth into the Eden Park debate – the only problem is, it’s going to cost the public a lot more than that.

    It’s hard to know where to start with chief executive Scott Weenink’s comments last week, when New Zealand Cricket (NZC) told us all that it backed Eden Park 2.1 as the country’s premier sporting stadium.

    But how about we start with words like parochialism and self-interest before we move on to his maths?

    NZC has had its nose out of joint for a couple of years now after the backers of the three waterfront stadium ventures (now down to one at Quay Park) all independently rejected any overtures to accommodate an internationally certified cricket oval in their plans.

    There are very good economic reasons why, but we’ll get to them in a moment.

    Not content with already having adequate ovals around the country for red-ball and white-ball cricket, Scott and his mates want to also play games with Auckland’s ratepayers.

    So they’ve thrown their lot in with the grand masters of fleecing Aucklanders and central Government – Eden Park.

    Weenink described a revamped and roofed Eden Park as a “game-changer”.

    “The Eden Park redevelopment makes much more sense across the board, taking in the considerations and needs of all the different sports and events that will be impacted,” he said.

    “Having a venue in Auckland with regulation-sized boundaries and the potential for a roof – well, it’s bit of a no-brainer for us, it would transform our national venue strategy and bring much more international cricket into the city.”

    And then the crowning glory. Weenink tells us this will only cost a “fraction” of the cost of a new stadium in the CBD.

    If only.

    Eden Park says it will “only” need $537 million to revamp Eden Park – including a roof.

    The reality is it will almost certainly cost north of a billion dollars to drag the old girl kicking and screaming into the 21st century.


    As per normal, Eden Park is mute on where this money will come from. So is NZC, although you can be damn sure they don’t intend contributing.

    Nobody from Eden Park will tell Aucklanders where this capital raise will come from, despite the Government and the local council making it clear there will be no contribution from the public purse.

    Maybe Weenink knows more than the rest of us. Maybe he knows where Eden Park is going to get its money from for its “national stadium” when nobody in the organisation has any experience in raising money (although they’re world-class at spending it).

    Maybe it’s private capital.

    Maybe he knows why private investors would prefer to spend their money on a stadium in the suburbs that has to be closed by 10pm every night, instead of a modern precinct downtown capable of hosting major concerts and events.

    Maybe he knows why international visitors will be happy to stay in the CBD and waterfront hotels and then decamp themselves to a suburb miles away to watch Taylor Swift.

    Or maybe he and his mates at New Zealand Cricket are just looking after themselves and taking the taxpayer and Auckland ratepayer for yet another ride when we inevitably have to bail Eden Park out yet again.

    It’s not like Eden Park doesn’t have form in this area.

    Remember the $40m bank loan from the ASB for the 2011 Rugby World Cup grandstand build? Eden Park couldn’t even pay the interest on that and the debt landed at Auckland Council’s doorstep.

    Here’s some more maths Aucklanders should be aware of.

    If Eden Park can’t secure private capital (and the world’s biggest and most successful stadia designer Populous passed over the chance to be involved and instead backed the Wynyard Point option), does it intend securing a bank loan instead?

    Even if they get a loan, at an 8% interest rate, they’ll be paying $43m annually in interest alone on a $537m build.

    Last year, Eden Park lost $21m. So how will they pay anybody back when they couldn’t even meet the interest on the $40m Rugby World Cup loan?

    Eden Park has hand out for more public cash for 2028 T20 Cup​

    NZC’s self-interest will only result in costs for Eden Park’s 2.1 version spiralling north.

    For starters, the roof will need to be 50m high to gain certification from the International Cricket Council.

    The only roofed stadium in New Zealand, Dunedin’s Forsyth Barr, is 37m high – the same height decided upon for Christchurch’s Te Kaha stadium, opening the year after next.

    Are NZC and Eden Park seriously trying to tell us that adding another 13m in height won’t cost any more in construction costs – or is it conveniently sidestepping that point because it starts to make 2.1 look just as costly as a waterfront option?

    Then there’s the plan to turn the park into an even more inferior experience for spectators.

    NZC is seeking to co-host the 2028 Twenty20 World Cup alongside Australia. Auckland will only be included if it turns Eden Park into a proper cricket oval.

    To achieve this, Eden Park will need to take 10 metres out of every spectator stand to create an ICC-certified “oval”.

    And the reward for this extravagance of trying to create a cricket ground? Auckland will likely gain a couple of pool matches and one quarter-final (and let’s hope we can avoid a blockbuster like Bangladesh v Afghanistan from this year’s T20 World Cup).

    Even then, I have a strong suspicion that those sitting at the top of the two main stands won’t be able to see the extra 10m of grass on their side from their vantage point. How daft is that?

    But it will also shaft fans of quality sports played on a rectangular field by inflicting an even poorer viewing experience upon us.

    Eden Park is very fond of comparing itself to great viewing stadiums like Brisbane’s Suncorp Stadium, the sold-out venue for a rollicking State of Origin rugby league decider last night.

    That’s nonsense. Lang Park, as it was formerly known, is a true sporting coliseum where fans feel like they are right on the edge of the action.

    Eden Park already suffers from its “half-in, half-out” cricket attitude. It’s why Mt Smart Stadium can regularly conjure an atmosphere Eden Park rarely hits.

    NZC wants to inflict Eden Park 2.1 on us because it suits them – and them alone.

    No thought is being given to rugby, league or football fans – let alone music fans forced to traipse out to the suburbs and then having to spend more time getting home than the concert lasted (the author’s personal experience at a Pink concert earlier this year).

    Sports Insider could cut NZC some slack if we were guaranteed a steady flow of international cricket in Auckland.

    But with T20 leagues worldwide now the staple money-making venture for any self-respecting elite cricketer, we all know New Zealand’s national teams are only going to get weaker in both the red-ball and white-ball game.

    How much “international cricket” can we really expect in return for a billion-dollar investment? One or two white-ball games? An occasional test against South Africa B, like last summer?

    That’s the reason backers of the three waterfront options didn’t accommodate cricket’s needs. The economic incentive is simply not there.

    Ask Wellington sports fans if they would have still gone with an oval at the Cake Tin instead of a rectangular field if they had their time over again? I can tell you what Phoenix and Hurricanes fans will say.

    This while the red-ball game dies a natural death with the Big Three of India, Australia and England now the only tests of significance.

    Maybe this wouldn’t be so bad if Auckland ratepayers (with a likely Government bailout on top) weren’t going to inevitably have to carry the can for these follies.

    How can private investors possibly make money out of a billion-dollar white elephant in the suburbs?

    I have greater confidence that private investors will build at the waterfront than I do that Eden Park won’t follow its now century-old playbook of talking big and then requiring yet another expensive bailout.

     
    The first episode of SJ's podcast has now dropped, some quotes here-

    Re: Injury

    Matua Mark (Producer of the show, MC at Mount Smart):
    "How does that take place that conversation, is it you going to management and saying guys you know what I have been going through time to take a knee here or is them saying hey dude we've got promising halves pairing who have won in the past, how did that happen?"

    Shaun:
    "Well to be fair they were probably going to drop my ass anyway. After I toss that up they probably, bro, this bloke is out"

    "It was at a point where I knew- The relationship I have with Andrew Webster our coach is one like I've never had, like with any of the coaches. One of pure trust, transparency and supreme confidence that he has got my back."

    "After the Titans game it was as simple as I went to him and I said to him 'I cannot do this anymore' and he looked at me and nodded the head [sic] in agreeance because he knew exactly what I was feeling and also he's got games of football to win, and at that point in time Im not the best option, at that level I am playing at, and that's a tough pill to swallow because In my mind I know what I can do but when you can't back in up physically it's so tough to swallow, and after that game, it was a rock bottom snap where it's like, bro, you are kidding yourself if you think you belong in this arena right now, you are letting you teammates down, you are letting yourself down. I actually approached the coaching staff, but it was met with agreeance. it wasn't met with anything like they aren't trying to convince me to keep going it was like yep 100%, and we will do whatever we can to make sure you can get on top of this"

    Also said the decision was with him going out on the Achilles early in the first place, and the injury got to the point where he was having difficulty getting around his house/going up and down the stairs.



    Re: Webby

    "In terms of character, and that's the real sign of it, a great coach, that is why I said it last year, you believe in the systems you put in place are so strong that no individual is bigger than that system. and he has been tested time and time. he got tested, in the scheme of things [sic], pretty lightly last year, you know we had a really good year, things were clicking we were all healthy, we were loving it, boom that flowed. This year, the way he has rolled with the punches but upheld what he believes wins us football games and driven them even harder in those times is probably, to me, just cements what I already thought of the guy.

    "You know he is going to have a long, successful coaching career, One, he is a great person; Two, he is very firm and very clear on what wins football games, sometimes in a long season of NRL you can sometimes lose sight or take maybe things for granted, and maybe it takes a few losses or a performance you didn't see coming like getting beat by 60 to really just bring you back and dive in and circle in on what you know wins footy games. So he has handled this period tremendously, I think, you know, the way he has rallied the troops and backed up those senior players, the likes of Mitch Barnett, Dylan Walker, Te Maire Martin coming in and just playing out of his skin, doing his job, then Chanel, just people stepping up, and that's what we are about"



    Re: Halves pairing and being a teammate

    Shaun:
    "It will always be nothing but support and love for any of my teammates and in a space where I hope, how do I say this right, I hope that they feel that, because I have been in environments where senior players have been on the out or have had an injury and I guess have not been included in a lot of things-"

    Brooke Ruscoe (Co-Host, Former Tall Black and Mai FM Host):
    "You can feel the energy."

    Shaun:
    "The energy shifts dramatically, the impact it can have on younger players coming through. It can become really toxic, really quick, so I have had some good examples of what it shouldn't look like. And I just want to be the best possible teammate for them, like always an open book if they have got questions, now Te Maire is playing better than I have all year so he ain't asking me shit, I mean he ain't asking me nothing, you know like I'm going to have to to the bro, say hey can you come help me out.

    "It has to be that open door, and we work like- in preseason, we all work together, and we play scenarios out 'Shaun you are out, T you are middle service' [sic], 'Chanel you're left edge', Chanel you're middle service, T you are on the right-"

    Brooke:
    "You forget about Luke Met as well"

    "Luke, you're on ball, you know, like we have a system, we all work to better each other but to understand how the team is best going to play as one, that's still the messaging. Just because I am out injured, I still want to be there as best I can and help where I can without sort of overstepping and trying to make it about me when it's not- Step back and let the boys get to work"

    Mark:
    "Let's make this about you Shaun, just for a moment. Have you always been that type of person, or has this come with a fine wine, of age, that you see the importance of being able to share knowledge and have you had to learn that, or is that something you have always been"

    Shaun:
    "I'm probably not the right person to ask whether that has always been me but I have found through other leaders I have had in the past, the type of leader I have always wanted to be, I have had some really good examples, and I have had some poor examples, and I think to best answer that question ultimately I think as a person, so forget me as an athlete, I remember Butch saying to me when I first came into first grade, the greatest gift you can give someone is your time, and I will never, ever forget that, and I think regardless of whether I am in the Warriors building, or if I am out, I just think that is probably my nature, just to give people time.

    "I often get asked if a kid comes up and asks for a photo of me if you're out at dinner and someone comes to ask. There is a manner to ask, don't get me wrong, but does that ever get annoying? I have never found that annoying; I have found it a privilege. I've always been like; I remember when the shoe was on the other foot, and the difference and the impact something like this could make on would've made on me, and could potentially make on the little kid or even the dad who's pretending the photo is for his daughter, its probably all I can say on that Matua, I can't say it has always been me, but what has always been me is being open and giving people my time, and in the building, in where I work and what I do every day when I'm a senior player, and I do have runs on the board and knowledge I have accumulated over a career of work if someone wants to know, I will answer it but I will never force it or blurt it onto someone."



    Re: Retirement/Extending

    I can't keep transcribing this entire thing, so listen to the podcast for full details haha

    The gist of it is that he is as torn as he has ever been, he feels uneasy about not knowing what will happen next year, but there are conversations ongoing. Paraphrasing, while he doesn't want to come off as arrogant, he still thinks he is the best option for the Warriors at 7 when he is healthy, and until that changes then he is going to keep being torn on it. Winning a prem with us is the only thing he needs to tick off, but at the same time, he enjoys not being in pain moving around his house, playing with his kids, etc.

    He also confirms the Roosters offered him a deal, but doubles down for the millionth time that it is the Warriors or retirement.
     
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    I had the pleasure of meeting a few of the boys yesterday at the airport. Resisted the temptation to get a photo with DWZ, which would have been proudly hung on the mantelpiece for visitors to view, or added to my LinkedIn. I regret not getting one, but at the same time, it would have been an invasion of privacy

    Little-known facts:
    1. Webby is a unit!!!
    2. Egan and CHT look like good buddies
    3. Same with Lussick and DWZ. A group of players & management were hanging out together
    4. The coaches arrived early and sat together, but got on with the players
    5. They must get tired of the travel. No direct flight to Canberra, so it must get taxing

    Hard not to just start chatting as if you actually know them.
    A bit like when someone meets the actor that plays Ross off friends and tries to chat to them as if it is actually Ross and they are his mate
     
    Really really impressed with Mitch last night. He was epic and fit in to the NSW team seamlessly.

    I thought he looked much better than a lot of debutants over the last year or so. I know it's a different game and different context but you look at players like Hudson Young, Hopgood, Olakauatu, and Mitch just seemed right at home, like he was playing his 10th Origin.

    I can't believe how much he's improved over the last 6-12 months it's been unreal
     
    I don't think we will ever be able to look at our junior programme and declare that it is working until we produce a genuine tactical half. That seems like a long way away.
    The thing is, from what I've read & heard someone like cooper cronk was never a first choice natural half. Bellamy set him a task to learn to be one & he did that because cronk had the other attributes needed. What I'm saying is the naturals, the instinctive ones still have to be challenged and taught as much as the cronks of the world to learn the role properly and apply themselves & thats all about aptitude, attitude and commitment.
    Find those guys and develop them. The once a generation half we all hope for will benefit from the same development pathway .
     
    Shit thats damning when u think about it eh- over 10 years and I cant think of anyone.
    We're all big on leka, laban and sifakula now but remember when benry, marque taylor and ikahihifo was gonna be our backrow for the next 10 years....
    Hope we can get it right this time around.

    Benry and Taylor were exciting because they seemed to be real professionals who would get stuck into the dirty stuff, but they were never dynamic. Lolohea was dynamic, but sucked at the dirty stuff (honestly one of the worst defenders I have ever seen in FG), and was tactically questionable. The Benry and Taylor attitudes were rare at the time of Hurrell and Kata etc. who didn't really have a tactical head.

    The only other junior that I can remember having that dynamism was Katoa, but he was hardly home grown. He seemed like a guy who we could build around, but it didn't happen. Roache was exciting, and had potential to be dynamic and a student of the game.

    We finally seem to have a crop of a few guys who have that genuine dynamism/ x factor, and more of a professional, well-schooled foundation. Have we ever had this? Sifakula and Leka are genuinely exciting for the future of this club, and I say that as someone reluctant to blow someone up early. I think they are both better that Katoa, so that is promising. The chaps behind them have the potential to seize their spot too.

    We just need to get the experience and quality right for the import spots.

    Yes, our junior track record has been damning, but maybe we have the infrastructure and right heads now to now be seeing positive change.
     
    For me Jazz is holding up the development of Ale and others coming through. It's a small bench and we have been found out before.

    Not really understanding the RTS negativity, dude was one of the best ever and has been moved around to fill gaps where needed.

    Looking forward to seeing Ali and Halasima again, these lads have an x factor that could be the difference. I really hope they both take their chances.

    And lol, the NRL have had long enough to forget fucking us. We will get no favour's. They just don't care

    Good luck lads, do your best.
     
    Be interesting to know how long this injury has been with him. This season has seen a remarkable drop off in his effectiveness, though his work rate was still high.

    Hopefully he can come back rested and better next season.
    Around the Manly game was when I first heard about a hand issue. Unsure if it pre dates that or not.

    Playing in the NRL with no fuss when your hand is essentially soup, he's an all time Warrior.

    Tohu and Manners are cut from the same cloth, nothing but respect for what both of them have done for the jersey.
     
    Watching them wank on about that Kikau hit too on nrl 360, fuck all wrapping motion there. Montoya’s was legal if that was

    I gotta be honest.

    Wahs were flavour of the month last year and we got a bunch of favourable calls.

    Bulldogs are this years flavour and the wanking won't stop until their season ends. Ciraldo is surely $1.01 to be coach of the year this year.

    I just really hope we beat them in Auckland, somehow scrape into 8th and beat them again in the finals.
     
    Feel so angry for the players and happens to all clubs but feels like we cop more than our share
    One thing I was surprised to learn going to away games in Aus is that pretty much all fans of all teams feel they are picked on more than the other teams, most of them have some far flung reason as to why this is that they’re convinced is true. I try to remember that when we cop a few head scratchers, in many cases there’s no grand conspiracy it just happened to the team we support and being the NZ team there’s an easy excuse for fans, also being the only NZ team it gets a lot more focus in our own market compared to one where there’s multiple teams.
    In saying all that there is also some inexcusable calls and it’s hard not to take it personally when it happens to your team, the way the refs ‘manage’ a game and choose when to and when not to enforce rules opens up a massive can of worms.
    Was interesting watching Anneslies explanation video- the guy did not believe a word of what he was saying, I know you can’t re award competition points but apologies are worthless at the end of the day
     
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