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Player Te Maire Martin

Date of Birth
Oct 2, 1995
Birth Location
Tokoroa, New Zealand
Nationality
  1. 🇳🇿 New Zealand
Height (cm)
181 cm
Weight (kg)
87 kg
Position/s
  1. Fullback
  2. Five-Eighth
  3. Halfback
Warrior #
275
NRL Debut Date
Mar 19, 2016
NRL Debut Details
NRL 2016, Round 3, Penrith Panthers Vs Brisbane Broncos
Warriors Debut Date
Mar 3, 2023
Warriors Debut Details
NRL 2023, Round 1, Newcastle
Warriors Years Active
  1. 2023
  2. 2024
  3. 2025
Signed From
Brisbane Broncos
Junior Club/s
Turangawaewae
Current Club
New Zealand Warriors
Rep Honours
  1. NZ
Status
Active
Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Te_Maire_Martin
Rugby League Project
https://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/players/te-maire-martin/summary.html

Still don’t see Gannon as a roll up top 17 player. The club would be putting a lot of faith in a guy who isn’t nrl tested and another in Linnane in a guy who’s had a rotten luck with injuries. Not to say it won’t work, just a risk. The club seems to be pretty sound with their decision making so I guess back them

I think if you look at the fact we are using TMM as a ball playing forward it only strengthens the argument that Gannon is signed to play NRL without fuss.

The club lose two ball players in Walker and Harris. they push this guy into the role even though they have no intention of retaining him....in other words filling this role is more important to Webster with someone with half like skills than using forwards that do not have those skills in our current set up.

Then factor in that they have signed a ball player from as far off as the Superleague.

If the plan was not to use Gannon off the bat then it is stupid not to extend TMM at least a season to stop gap this slot of ball player that they so obviously value.

Webster has a fondness for the utility forward. Even when Bailey Sironen was being let go, he kept being a Webster staple.

Gannon will be an ESL one hundred gamer when he lands. He will go into preseason and offer them a passing game that not even the Warriors back line possess at present, things will run smoothly off that and they will find it very hard to ignore that addition to their otherwise stilted passing set plays.

Gannon has a big motor and is being played as an eighty minute starting forward where he is right now (to be fair I did not know he had an engine, the pommy commentators were banging on about it in his last appearance, that he is an endurance type player. and he is playing eighties this season quite comfortably).

My prediction is that Gannon will come into preseason training, transform the matrix of our sets, which will make the coaches go....ok lets give him both preseason trials and run him long to see if he hacks that....if he does lets sit down and talk about round one at fourteen.

I get that we are stacked for forwards and I get that Gannon has never played NRL.

I guess what I am arguing here is specialization. I think Warriors fans keep forgetting that coaches go for roles in teams over arbitrary fan expectations about proving yourself in the NRL.

Basketball coaches will use non NBA proved players to fill roles like Center, point guard, or power forward, the NRL has gone in the same direction, specialists come first, the ball playing lock forward or back row forward is a specialist role NRL coaches look for ahead of worrying about Fan imagined player hierarchies about whether that player has ever played an NRL game.

To go a hemisphere away to fill that type of roll you are admitting you do not have that specialist ready in your NSW cup, so why bring that outsider into that level where you already have no one up to the task?
 
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I think if you look at the fact we are using TMM as a ball playing forward it only strengthens the argument that Gannon is signed to play NRL without fuss.

The club lose two ball players in Walker and Harris. they push this guy into the role even though they have no intention of retaining him....in other words filling this role is more important to Webster with someone with half like skills than using forwards that do not have those skills in our current set up.

Then factor in that they have signed a ball player from as far off as the Superleague.

If the plan was not to use Gannon off the bat then it is stupid not to extend TMM at least a season to stop gap this slot of ball player that they so obviously value.

Webster has a fondness for the utility forward. Even when Bailey Sironen was being let go, he kept being a Webster staple.

Gannon will be an ESL one hundred gamer when he lands. He will go into preseason and offer them a passing game that not even the Warriors back line possess at present, things will run smoothly off that and they will find it very hard to ignore that addition to their otherwise stilted passing set plays.

Gannon has a big motor and is being played as an eighty minute starting forward where he is right now (to be fair I did not know he had an engine, the pommy commentators were banging on about it in his last appearance, that he is an endurance type player. and he is playing eighties this season quite comfortably).

My prediction is that Gannon will come into preseason training, transform the matrix of our sets, which will make the coaches go....ok lets give him both preseason trials and run him long to see if he hacks that....if he does lets sit down and talk about round one at fourteen.

I get that we are stacked for forwards and I get that Gannon has never played NRL.

I guess what I am arguing here is specialization. I think Warriors fans keep forgetting that coaches go for roles in teams over arbitrary fan expectations about proving yourself in the NRL.

Basketball coaches will use non NBA proved players to fill roles like Center, point guard, or power forward, the NRL has gone in the same direction, specialists come first, the ball playing lock forward or back row forward is a specialist role NRL coaches look for ahead of worrying about Fan imagined player hierarchies about whether that player has ever played an NRL game.

To go a hemisphere away to fill that type of roll you are admitting you do not have that specialist ready in your NSW cup, so why bring that outsider into that level where you already have no one up to the task?

I think he might have a chance to be No. 14, apparently he can fill in at halves too, we know he can do second row, so basically what Walker was told to do when he was here.

Hope Demi continues to fill that Tohu role for now though, 2 try assists in 2 games lol
 
I think he might have a chance to be No. 14, apparently he can fill in at halves too, we know he can do second row, so basically what Walker was told to do when he was here.

Hope Demi continues to fill that Tohu role for now though, 2 try assists in 2 games lol
Look mate even if Dimitric comes on as a ball player, under Webster he selected Tohu Harris, Bailey Sironen and Dylan Walker in the same team.

So I just don't understand why Warriors fans do not get it.

A handful of games ball playing from Dimitric does not match our past preferred three ball playing forwards options nor does it match Gannons history of being a wicked ball player his whole career.

This bullshit about Gannon playing NSW cup is just NRL heads not understanding what we have signed or why, for their colour blindness of "NRL isth betta thun E esth L ooorrrr". Put da guy who came from Sam Burgess and James Grahams comp in tha NRL resthervessss.....
 
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Look mate even if Dimitric comes on as a ball player, under Webster he selected Tohu Harris, Bailey Sironen and Dylan Walker in the same team.

So I just don't understand why Warriors fans do not get it.

A handful of games ball playing from Dimitric does not match our past preferred three ball playing forwards options nor does it match Gannons history of being a wicked ball player his whole career.

This bullshit about Gannon playing NSW cup is just NRL heads not understanding what we have signed or why, for their colour blindness of "NRL isth betta thun E esth L ooorrrr". Put da guy who came from Sam Burgess and James Grahams comp in tha NRL resthervessss.....
Truth is none of us know, Lewis Dodd is a Great Britain international and went to souths on $700k per season with everyone thinking he’d cope fine in the nrl. He’s managed 3 games and rabbits are trying to find a way out of the next couple of seasons. Not saying that will happen but it is a possibility. Different too with Dodd being a halfback and tasked with leading a team around
 
Truth is none of us know, Lewis Dodd is a Great Britain international and went to souths on $700k per season with everyone thinking he’d cope fine in the nrl. He’s managed 3 games and rabbits are trying to find a way out of the next couple of seasons. Not saying that will happen but it is a possibility. Different too with Dodd being a halfback and tasked with leading a team around

Gannon has a reputation in the ESL as a defensive backrower and this season he is being taken seriously as an eighty minute defender.

Quite different to what our NSW cup forwards can do. few if any can play eighty minutes as tackle bots, and none of them can ball play like a half.

If we put Gannon in cup that is fine by me but he will stick out like Dogs Bollocks and make all sixteen cup players look like fools.
 
Gannon has a reputation in the ESL as a defensive backrower and this season he is being taken seriously as an eighty minute defender.

Quite different to what our NSW cup forwards can do. few if any can play eighty minutes as tackle bots, and none of them can ball play like a half.

If we put Gannon in cup that is fine by me but he will stick out like Dogs Bollocks and make all sixteen cup players look like fools.
I’m not too worried how it works as long as it works out. He’s obviously rated highly to have been identified all the way over there, hopefully your confidence is on the money
 

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I’m not too worried how it works as long as it works out. He’s obviously rated highly to have been identified all the way over there, hopefully your confidence is on the money
He is a good player.

I just finished watching him throw a flat ball from left back row to the Winger, cutting out the Center....on tackle two....

No one at this club even entertains using a cut out ball to go wide to a Winger in space on tackle two out of our end of the feild.

To throw that cut out he had to be made the target of the seven.

So that would be Metcalf cuts out CHT and throws to Gannon who cuts out Pompey and flat balls it to DWZ for a one on one chance to use DWZs running ability in space on tackle two from inside our half.

All I know bro is that no one at this club brings that to our team.

But apparently our residents want to park that in cup till he proves he is NRL ready.

Which makes zero sense to me, zero.
 
He is a good player.

I just finished watching him throw a flat ball from left back row to the Winger, cutting out the Center....on tackle two....

No one at this club even entertains using a cut out ball to go wide to a Winger in space on tackle two out of our end of the feild.

To throw that cut out he had to be made the target of the seven.

So that would be Metcalf cuts out CHT and throws to Gannon who cuts out Pompey and flat balls it to DWZ for a one on one chance to use DWZs running ability in space on tackle two from inside our half.

All I know bro is that no one at this club brings that to our team.

But apparently our residents want to park that in cup till he proves he is NRL ready.

Which makes zero sense to me, zero.
Its a pretty big step up from ESL to NRL.

Given the clubs previous experience with a player who was a star in england it makes sense to not get to hyped up until he shows something over here.
 
Its a pretty big step up from ESL to NRL.

Given the clubs previous experience with a player who was a star in england it makes sense to not get to hyped up until he shows something over here.
Yes because he is a forward and the English gave us the two greatest forwards of the Modern era in James Graham who introduced short passing between forwards to the NRL and Sam Burgess who brought brutal defence, brutal running and deft passing like a five eight from Prop to the NRL, while becoming the first ever true elite lock forward Prop of world rugby league.

Are we saying that we should ignore that Gannon is a forward. and we should compare him to ESL failed backs to to fit our complete bullshit NSW cup is better than the ESL narrative?

Having watched Burgess, Graham and Gannon I can say with 100% confidence that Gannon is an even more gifted ball player than those two English ball playing Giants.

But NSW cup might be where he belongs coz ESL sucks.

Excuse the sarcasm but there is a lot of laziness being posted on this forum a lot of supposition without objectivity, a lot of ignorance about English rugby league and bias.

The same ignorance about the ESL on this forum applies to NZ Rugby league, in fact New Zealand rugby league is so poor that it cannot even support a professional competition, yet posters here assume that every player in England is going to be behind every player in our NRL squad that hails from shit stomper South Auckland or elsewhere no name clubs.

Makes me laugh Gannon from a Professional Tier one comp is supposed to come here and audition behind some Rewa Marlin Otara Scorpion nobody that no one has ever heard of.

That just doesn't make sense.
 
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Yes because he is a forward and the English gave us the two greatest forwards of the Modern era in James Graham who introduced short passing between forwards to the NRL and Sam Burgess who brought brutal defence, brutal running and deft passing like a five eight from Prop to the NRL, while becoming the first ever true elite lock forward Prop of world rugby league.

Are we saying that we should ignore that Gannon is a forward. and we should compare him to ESL failed backs to to fit our complete bullshit NSW cup is better than the ESL narrative?

Having watched Burgess, Graham and Gannon I can say with 100% confidence that Gannon is an even more gifted ball player than those two English ball playing Giants.

But NSW cup might be where he belongs coz ESL sucks.

Excuse the sarcasm but there is a lot of laziness being posted on this forum a lot of supposition without objectivity, a lot of ignorance about English rugby league and bias.

The same ignorance about the ESL on this forum applies to NZ Rugby league, in fact New Zealand rugby league is so poor that it cannot even support a professional competition, yet posters here assume that every player in England is going to be behind every player in our NRL squad that hails from shit stomper South Auckland or elsewhere no name clubs.

Makes me laugh Gannon from a Professional Tier one comp is supposed to come here and audition behind some Rewa Marlin Otara Scorpion nobody that no one has ever heard of.

That just doesn't make sense.

It doesn’t make sense to blow smoke up him before he’s done a thing in nrl, I agree he’s to good for NSW cup but it would be smart to start him on the bench to warm into it. 2 good english coming over also doesn’t make up for the fact most ESL players struggle with the sustained requirements of FG

I hope he kills it, i want to win a comp and he looks the goods to be a part of that, we have good second rowers up and coming so we don’t need to throw him to the wolves

*additionally I agree there are players in england as good and better then nrl players, however the problem is the standard is higher and the english players normally just struggle with that.
 
*additionally I agree there are players in england as good and better then nrl players, however the problem is the standard is higher and the english players normally just struggle with that.

While I agree that the standard or maybe the week on week intensity in the NRL is higher Penrith lost the last two World Club games to Super League teams. And according to Google the all time score is 15 wins to northern hemisphere teams to 14 wins Australian teams. So they can't be too bad

On TMM I'm sorry to see him go. He hasn't fired as well as he could have but I think we have left a lot of what he offers on the table. He was good last year in the games where he was running the ship but he struggled when he was being overcalled by Johnson. I think that if he'd had the opportunity last year that Metcalf has had this year we might not be letting him go.
I wish him all the best. And I hope he doesn't pull our pants down and show us what could have been if we play against him in the future
 

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TMM probably would suit South, they seriously need a playmaker up front right now, Mitchell's doing all the heavy lifting and getting close but not over the line
 
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