Social COVID 19 Report

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Funky Ed Koosie said:
Just confirms how great the govt at the time handled the pandemic, but I'm sure the resident retards will still have a mental breakdown over it.
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I was working in social services and I can tell you the social damage was horrific. Inside reports had meth usage doubling and all consequential results flowed on. Eg ram raids, crime spikes etc. A lot of youth suicide, and huge social instability. People were rejected by their own families because of the extreme government narrative. It was one of the toughest things I’ve seen in 20 years of working amongst the community services. I know families and harm that is still flowing on from the actions today.

To hand decision making to doctors who only specialise in disease and allow them to determine all of the aspects of a persons life was wrong. They needed a more wholistic approach.
 
juju said:
I don't think it is... More just a recommendation of how to handle something similar in he future.
It seems quite balanced from what I've read and from the interview I read from the guy who handled it.
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Yeah as long as the people doing the Enquiry are honest and transparent it can only be a good thing to learn from what went right and wrong for the future.
Thats why I can’t believe Australia are not doing one.
Some States did better than others but without the enquiry we are at the mercy of Premiers again making it up as they go.
 
juju said:
I don't think it is... More just a recommendation of how to handle something similar in he future.
It seems quite balanced from what I've read and from the interview I read from the guy who handled it.
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And I think that’s exactly what it should be….. not playing the blame game but identifying what went right and recommendations on how things should be improved.

A backslapping exercise or buttkicking exercise was never going to achieve anything.
 
We may have gone too far with the mandates and bubbles and probably did in retrospect, it was pretty scary at the start when it was an unknown novel virus though. I still wonder if those Chinese videos of people keeling over and dying in the streets were real, but the Great Reset didn't happen, it wasn't depopulation, all the cookers were wrong again. Somehow the .01% elites accumulated astounding wealth during the lockdowns, they were right about that. It all seems like a fever dream now.
 
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WA Warrior said:
Yeah as long as the people doing the Enquiry are honest and transparent it can only be a good thing to learn from what went right and wrong for the future.
Thats why I can’t believe Australia are not doing one.
Some States did better than others but without the enquiry we are at the mercy of Premiers again making it up as they go.
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Was talking to a guy who handles our inwards and outwards freight yesterday.
Here's how he described Australia - incidentally, he said the Australian branch of his company was (by standards the company had worked out and everyone had agreed on) 2.5 times less productive than New Zealand, which he said was amusing given all the hand wringing here about our productivity - and how they do things:
If what you're doing is seen as illegal in Victoria, in New South Wales it'll be seen as dodgy but legal and in Queensland it'll be seen as the approved way.
Still laugh at a comment from a long-dead Queensland premier - pretty sure it wasn't good old Joh Bjelke Peterson - who talked about "Exports to Australia."
 
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miket12 said:
The first part of the COVID report from the Royal Commission has been released

www.nzherald.co.nz

Covid-19 Royal Commission: Hipkins admits Govt ‘lost the room’ amid lockdowns

Vaccine mandates caused huge pain to a “substantial minority”.
www.nzherald.co.nz www.nzherald.co.nz

www.covid19lessons.royalcommission.nz

Main Report | Covid-19 Lessons Learned

www.covid19lessons.royalcommission.nz www.covid19lessons.royalcommission.nz
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Pretty thorough and balanced report. From reading the actual report we did well but the key fault to me (identified on page 106) is that those running it got caught up in the day to day and we never developed a plan for exiting the pandemic and returning to normal.

This is highlighted by the first years response being effective and then it slowly falling apart with a messy shift from elimination to minimising (living with covid) -highlighted on page 96; extended lockdowns; loss of social license and lack of input beyond the health response. That’s my biggest strategic learning.

Good report but I wonder if every pandemic will be different with different solutions needed.
 
wizard of Tauranga said:
Pretty thorough and balanced report. From reading the actual report we did well but the key fault to me (identified on page 106) is that those running it got caught up in the day to day and we never developed a plan for exiting the pandemic and returning to normal.

This is highlighted by the first years response being effective and then it slowly falling apart with a messy shift from elimination to minimising (living with covid) -highlighted on page 96; extended lockdowns; loss of social license and lack of input beyond the health response. That’s my biggest strategic learning.

Good report but I wonder if every pandemic will be different with different solutions needed.
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The report doesn’t comment on the vaccines success but makes clear we had a strategy of elimination once fully immunised - eg keep cases to 0 because being vaccinated would 99% stop the vaccine and allow us to keep covid out forever. This was far from the reality where everyone vaccinated still seemed to get covid and transmit it.

The vaccine was a failure relative to planning and we had no plan B (page 114). This left us stuck with Auckland in a prolonged lockdown and the govt with all their eggs in one basket and no plan.

This is the point the public seemed to lose faith in the response as covid washed through the country with little ‘living with it’ planning.
 
Boston Boy said:
I was working in social services and I can tell you the social damage was horrific. Inside reports had meth usage doubling and all consequential results flowed on. Eg ram raids, crime spikes etc. A lot of youth suicide, and huge social instability. People were rejected by their own families because of the extreme government narrative. It was one of the toughest things I’ve seen in 20 years of working amongst the community services. I know families and harm that is still flowing on from the actions today.

To hand decision making to doctors who only specialise in disease and allow them to determine all of the aspects of a persons life was wrong. They needed a more wholistic approach.
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Its a silly conclusion to say we listened to doctors to much during a pandemic.

I agree what you've pointed out was devastating but the solution is a strong social safety net for these times instead of the individual focus we have at the moment. The government should have stepped up with supports for these areas instead of just doing the equation of what was least effecting the current austerity order.
 
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