Social Finding Heidi podcast

Won’t spoil the last episode but it sounded like Urban made one wrong move.
OK, I guessed some time back, after hearing about them being held, and I wondered if he bolted for it.
They chased him with with knives and stabbed him to death. That is just guessing.
Then Tamihere offered to deal with Heidi. That is just guessing.
The question is why were they being held?
My guess is ripping off dope.
That all might be very wrong, but to me is an obvious motive.
The less obvious, is the one the girl mentioned, they wanted to rape her and get rid of him to do it. That sounds weird, except for Tamihere
I will find out. I cannot hack more than one episode at a time. The most boring presentation I have heard in years.
 
I follow many podcasts.

IMO it is a poorly presented podcast compared to others I have listened to.

Just saying like, but I stand to be corrected.
If he wants the podcast to take off he needs to find that body…
 
Anyone else get the feeling half the cast of the podcast are in this thread? Now I know how Martin Short feels when a body drops out of the ceiling in the elevator.
 
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Bear Tuner mentioned that Urban bought Chicken Mesh to grow his own. I don’t know what that means but for you guys that do would that be viewed as disrespectful to other growers? Or maybe he didn’t get permission to do it?
 
Bear Tuner mentioned that Urban bought Chicken Mesh to grow his own. I don’t know what that means but for you guys that do would that be viewed as disrespectful to other growers? Or maybe he didn’t get permission to do it?
He didn’t say that mate

I think he said his nephew found the body while carrying chicken mesh to set up a patch
 
I haven't read anymore. I could pay $6, that isn't a problem, but I don't have much spare time this week.

Just some facts for the trainspotters to check, as far as I can remember.

The time line:

Tamihere told Police he had hitch hiked back to Thames on the Kopu Road about the same time Heidi and Sven were seen driving their Subaru from the Kopu Road into Thames with a hitch hiker, who looked a lot like Tamihere.

Following that Heidi and Sven got a haircut in Thames. That is the second to last time any sort of respectable person (not a druggie) saw them both alive.

The next time they were both seen alive, apart from by a druggie, was the old farmer doing his fencing up the Parakiwai Quarry Road near Whangamata.

It appears David Tamihere was driving. Heidi was in the passenger seat watching the road. Urban was relaxing on the back seat. They were driving not much faster than walking speed, so probably looking for something.

Tamihere knows that area well, his family have land in the area.

Bear Turner, a heroin addict, goes to Hamilton to collect his girlfriend, also a heroin user, and takes her back to the Turner farm towards the bottom of the Quarry Road. Why? Why do addicts go anywhere? Usually to score a fix.

The Turner family are known to be violent people, that nobody messes with, and one of them (the father) gets charged with murder some years later for running into a guy with his vehicle.

When Bear Turners girlfriend arrives she sees one of the Turners, and a guy who could be Sven walking across the stream behind the house.

At around the same time some other dude, whose name I cannot remember, visits the same farmhouse and sees Sven under guard by one of the Turner brothers, looking scared. Heidi is escorted out of a building by another Turner brother, looking "petrified". He is holding her by the arm.

He sees no sign of David Tamihere, he says.

There are two similar Subarus, and one of the Turners is changing the number plate.

Now back to what Bear's girlfriend saw.

She saw Tamihere driving a green car, with Heidi in the front seat looking very uncomfortable, like in a state of fear. They drove up the Quarry Road, and Heidi is never seen again by her.

However two other witnesses say they saw a guy who looks like Tamihere, and Heidi, who is distinctively attractive, together on two occasions in Whangamata.

One occasion was at a beach south of Whangamata. They were standing close together, and he appeared to be holding her arm, or her hand.

The other occasion, also in Whangamata, was when they went into a bar together. Tamihere was holding her hand,as in control. She had puffy eyes like she was upset. After walking in, for some reason Tamihere turned and took her out of the bar.

Now the other time they might have been seen was at Crosbie's crossing, north east of Thames, and a five hour hike into the bush from the top of the road. Some of their items were found there, Tamihere was definitely there about that time.

The two guys who saw them were experienced trampers. Their description sort of fitted Heidi, tall and blonde but with makeup, which she didn't use. the description of the guy fits Tamihere.

A quick summation, to be stood corrected, I think it possible that that Sven and Heidi didn't go to the Parakiwai Quarry Road sightseeing.

The next valley over,the Wentworth Valley had tourist quality items like a waterfall and camping ground. Tamihere was known to frequent that area.
There is no evidence they went there.

My guess is they were not visiting the Turner dope dealing family to experience NZ hospitality. My guess is there were either caught ripping off dope from a plot, or were on the wrong end of a drug score gone wrong.

Sven was almost certainly killed near that house. Did he try to escape and get dealt to with knives? Maybe they they had not decided what to do with both of them when Sven bolted, but after the murder they had to deal with her as well.

What was Tamihere's role? Was he involved in the rip off? That I cannot suss, but he definitely was seen to be driving Heidi away.

Did he take her on a Tiki Tour, to satisfy his psychopathic urges? He seems to have taken her to the beach south of Whangamata, and to the bar in Whangamata.

Did he take her up to Crosbies Clearing as well, and eventually deal to her there?

Now, the Police role.

Ryan Wolf thinks the Police are evil bastards. So he is looking for a conspiracy theory that they have tried to cover this up.

In particular he tries to finger Det Sgt Del Read, a highly experienced detective for altering Bear Turner's girlfriend's statement.

Just to balance all that shite.

The Police obviously got the circumstances wrong.

Tamihere was clearly involved. If he was innocent he had every opportunity to come clean with his side of the story. So they almost certainly got it right him for murdering Heidi, and quite possibly at Crosbies Crossing, but he probably didn't kill Sven.

How sad, so sorry, never mind.

The Police always develop a close empathetic relationship with the victims, and their families. They definitely feel they owe something to the victims to get the killers.

So when they found Sven in 1991, in the wrong place. They swooped on all those guys around there and grilled them.

They would have got enough information to work out what had happened, but probably not enough to charge anybody, and they already had the most dangerous one behind bars.

If it was a dope thing, they probably told the family, but otherwise kept it quiet. There was no need to sully their reputations, and cause more pain to the family.

That would explain to me the response of Det Sgt Del Read to Ryan Wolf. "I am not talking to you about this!!"

That is the response of a detective well aware of what happened, saying I think you are farkwit, I am not going to give you anything to cause more distress to the families.

That is not the response of a guilty cop trying to cover up.

Over to you ladies and jellybeans, put me straight.
 
I haven't read anymore. I could pay $6, that isn't a problem, but I don't have much spare time this week.

Just some facts for the trainspotters to check, as far as I can remember.

The time line:

Tamihere told Police he had hitch hiked back to Thames on the Kopu Road about the same time Heidi and Sven were seen driving their Subaru from the Kopu Road into Thames with a hitch hiker, who looked a lot like Tamihere.

Following that Heidi and Sven got a haircut in Thames. That is the second to last time any sort of respectable person (not a druggie) saw them both alive.

The next time they were both seen alive, apart from by a druggie, was the old farmer doing his fencing up the Parakiwai Quarry Road near Whangamata.

It appears David Tamihere was driving. Heidi was in the passenger seat watching the road. Urban was relaxing on the back seat. They were driving not much faster than walking speed, so probably looking for something.

Tamihere knows that area well, his family have land in the area.

Bear Turner, a heroin addict, goes to Hamilton to collect his girlfriend, also a heroin user, and takes her back to the Turner farm towards the bottom of the Quarry Road. Why? Why do addicts go anywhere? Usually to score a fix.

The Turner family are known to be violent people, that nobody messes with, and one of them (the father) gets charged with murder some years later for running into a guy with his vehicle.

When Bear Turners girlfriend arrives she sees one of the Turners, and a guy who could be Sven walking across the stream behind the house.

At around the same time some other dude, whose name I cannot remember, visits the same farmhouse and sees Sven under guard by one of the Turner brothers, looking scared. Heidi is escorted out of a building by another Turner brother, looking "petrified". He is holding her by the arm.

He sees no sign of David Tamihere, he says.

There are two similar Subarus, and one of the Turners is changing the number plate.

Now back to what Bear's girlfriend saw.

She saw Tamihere driving a green car, with Heidi in the front seat looking very uncomfortable, like in a state of fear. They drove up the Quarry Road, and Heidi is never seen again by her.

However two other witnesses say they saw a guy who looks like Tamihere, and Heidi, who is distinctively attractive, together on two occasions in Whangamata.

One occasion was at a beach south of Whangamata. They were standing close together, and he appeared to be holding her arm, or her hand.

The other occasion, also in Whangamata, was when they went into a bar together. Tamihere was holding her hand,as in control. She had puffy eyes like she was upset. After walking in, for some reason Tamihere turned and took her out of the bar.

Now the other time they might have been seen was at Crosbie's crossing, north east of Thames, and a five hour hike into the bush from the top of the road. Some of their items were found there, Tamihere was definitely there about that time.

The two guys who saw them were experienced trampers. Their description sort of fitted Heidi, tall and blonde but with makeup, which she didn't use. the description of the guy fits Tamihere.

A quick summation, to be stood corrected, I think it possible that that Sven and Heidi didn't go to the Parakiwai Quarry Road sightseeing.

The next valley over,the Wentworth Valley had tourist quality items like a waterfall and camping ground. Tamihere was known to frequent that area.
There is no evidence they went there.

My guess is they were not visiting the Turner dope dealing family to experience NZ hospitality. My guess is there were either caught ripping off dope from a plot, or were on the wrong end of a drug score gone wrong.

Sven was almost certainly killed near that house. Did he try to escape and get dealt to with knives? Maybe they they had not decided what to do with both of them when Sven bolted, but after the murder they had to deal with her as well.

What was Tamihere's role? Was he involved in the rip off? That I cannot suss, but he definitely was seen to be driving Heidi away.

Did he take her on a Tiki Tour, to satisfy his psychopathic urges? He seems to have taken her to the beach south of Whangamata, and to the bar in Whangamata.

Did he take her up to Crosbies Clearing as well, and eventually deal to her there?

Now, the Police role.

Ryan Wolf thinks the Police are evil bastards. So he is looking for a conspiracy theory that they have tried to cover this up.

In particular he tries to finger Det Sgt Del Read, a highly experienced detective for altering Bear Turner's girlfriend's statement.

Just to balance all that shite.

The Police obviously got the circumstances wrong.

Tamihere was clearly involved. If he was innocent he had every opportunity to come clean with his side of the story. So they almost certainly got it right him for murdering Heidi, and quite possibly at Crosbies Crossing, but he probably didn't kill Sven.

How sad, so sorry, never mind.

The Police always develop a close empathetic relationship with the victims, and their families. They definitely feel they owe something to the victims to get the killers.

So when they found Sven in 1991, in the wrong place. They swooped on all those guys around there and grilled them.

They would have got enough information to work out what had happened, but probably not enough to charge anybody, and they already had the most dangerous one behind bars.

If it was a dope thing, they probably told the family, but otherwise kept it quiet. There was no need to sully their reputations, and cause more pain to the family.

That would explain to me the response of Det Sgt Del Read to Ryan Wolf. "I am not talking to you about this!!"

That is the response of a detective well aware of what happened, saying I think you are farkwit, I am not going to give you anything to cause more distress to the families.

That is not the response of a guilty cop trying to cover up.

Over to you ladies and jellybeans, put me straight.
I will reply in detail later but just two quick points - where you refer to ‘Bear Turner’ the junkie it actually should be Donald Turner, Bears younger brother

Also it was Bear and not the father who was charged with murder
 
Ian Wishart

One of the trainspotters asked me about Ian Wishart.

I had a little bit to do with Ian decades ago, maybe even last century.

IMO, just IMO, he is a decent honest guy, and a hardline god botherer.

He is an excellent investigator, and quite courageous. he blew the lid on the Winebox corporate fraud story way back, and that got real nasty...like NASTY. Way more than what Ryan Wolf is likely to face.

My problem with Ian is he lets his religious beliefs, and his desire to find a man biting a dog, get in the way of interpreting the investigative facts he uncovers.

That is unfortunate IMO.

Investigators need to follow the facts, and work from that, not make the story fit the facts.
 
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