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I watched it live and it was brilliant. If they’ve fixed that one then I give up on cricket - was one of the best finishes to a Test Match I’ve seen in a decade or more.
 
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According to a NZ Herald article, punters bet over $88 mil. NZD on this match with just one betting agency while the highest the odds got up to for a Blacks Caps victory was $527 when Pakistan was cruising @ 130-3 and only chasing 170 runs for victory.

Putting a few hundred dollars (or few million Pakistan rupee or Indian rupee) on a NZ victory at that time would certainly help improve ones bank balance - regardless of whether the match was fixed or not.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12163898
 
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I am sorry but anything involving Pakistan and betting takes a gloss of a fantastic performance...just saying like.
 
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I am sorry but anything involving Pakistan and betting takes a gloss of a fantastic performance...just saying like.
That's what I find frustrating. If that win was against Oz, Eng, SA or WI, the final overs from Patel and Wagner would be the stuff of legend. But, because it's Pakistan, it as if the result would, at least in my mind, have a question mark to it.

Thirteen overs from Wagner, as a medium-fast bowler was an achievement in itself but the control and maturity shown by Patel in just his first test was amazing!!! TBH, if Patel continues like that, and with what we know Sodhi is capable of, I think the likes of Astle and Santner will find it hard to play test cricket again.
 
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Mitch Santner is a fantastic ODI player, but I'll be relieved he stays a specialist limited form bowler. Test cricketers needs attacking wicket taking spinners as far as I am concerned.

Whether or not Patel will be that out of the sub-continent is the question.

New Zealand has had a golden 6-7 years, but I'm really worried about our short/mid-term future. We seem to have the bits and pieces players of the awful 90-00s starting to appear again, and players like Latham who I really thought would be a 10-year+ player are struggling to kick on. We really need a good allrounder, but I can't think of anyone that walks into the team for both batting and bowling. The fact that someone like Anderson is still in the picture is terrifying; I would consider him a lower order batsman at best (does he ever hit the ball cleanly - everything is a clothed heave with brute strength and a closed blade) and he doesn't bowl.
 
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That's what I find frustrating. If that win was against Oz, Eng, SA or WI, the final overs from Patel and Wagner would be the stuff of legend. But, because it's Pakistan, it as if the result would, at least in my mind, have a question mark to it.

Thirteen overs from Wagner, as a medium-fast bowler was an achievement in itself but the control and maturity shown by Patel in just his first test was amazing!!! TBH, if Patel continues like that, and with what we know Sodhi is capable of, I think the likes of Astle and Santner will find it hard to play test cricket again.

I don't think Sodhi is ever going to get there.

Still can't tie up an end which is a must for a spinner.

Bowls far too many loose deliveries. It's accepted that Leggy's will bowl the odd long hop but for me Sodhi bowls about one boundary ball an over which isn't good enough for that level.
 
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Mitch Santner is a fantastic ODI player, but I'll be relieved he stays a specialist limited form bowler. Test cricketers needs attacking wicket taking spinners as far as I am concerned.

Whether or not Patel will be that out of the sub-continent is the question.

New Zealand has had a golden 6-7 years, but I'm really worried about our short/mid-term future. We seem to have the bits and pieces players of the awful 90-00s starting to appear again, and players like Latham who I really thought would be a 10-year+ player are struggling to kick on. We really need a good allrounder, but I can't think of anyone that walks into the team for both batting and bowling. The fact that someone like Anderson is still in the picture is terrifying; I would consider him a lower order batsman at best (does he ever hit the ball cleanly - everything is a clothed heave with brute strength and a closed blade) and he doesn't bowl.

That's a direct result of our depth unfortunately. We will always have players in the side who probably aren't up to standard.

At the height of our Test run over the last few years our spinner was Mark Craig (Avg 46.52 with the ball) and the opener was Martin Guptill (Avg 29.38 with the bat).

As far as all rounders go, that seems to be a world wide problem, not just us. BJ Watling would have to be considered our current all rounder (You can have a keeper / batsman as you all rounder but the preference of course is batsman/bowler).
 
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I don't think Sodhi is ever going to get there.

Still can't tie up an end which is a must for a spinner.

Bowls far too many loose deliveries. It's accepted that Leggy's will bowl the odd long hop but for me Sodhi bowls about one boundary ball an over which isn't good enough for that level.
Tend to agree with you there, I thought he was going to kick on after having a good domestic season where showed more control over his length but after watching the whole of the last test match he looked back to where he was a couple of seasons ago.

His greatest asset apart from his natural height is his wrong-un but he hardly used it.
 
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Tend to agree with you there, I thought he was going to kick on after having a good domestic season where showed more control over his length but after watching the whole of the last test match he looked back to where he was a couple of seasons ago.

His greatest asset apart from his natural height is his wrong-un but he hardly used it.

He's got a long career in the shorter formats but I agree that is he's not going to use his biggest weapon, why pick him?
 
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Mitch Santner is a fantastic ODI player, but I'll be relieved he stays a specialist limited form bowler. Test cricketers needs attacking wicket taking spinners as far as I am concerned.

Whether or not Patel will be that out of the sub-continent is the question.

New Zealand has had a golden 6-7 years, but I'm really worried about our short/mid-term future. We seem to have the bits and pieces players of the awful 90-00s starting to appear again, and players like Latham who I really thought would be a 10-year+ player are struggling to kick on. We really need a good allrounder, but I can't think of anyone that walks into the team for both batting and bowling. The fact that someone like Anderson is still in the picture is terrifying; I would consider him a lower order batsman at best (does he ever hit the ball cleanly - everything is a clothed heave with brute strength and a closed blade) and he doesn't bowl.
Great post.

You can either view the NZ cricket team as a glass half full or a glass half empty. Because the fans are all competitive and want to be world's number one we have perhaps unrealistically high standards given our population size.
From a glass is half full perspective we have a strong nucleus of an ODI side.

1) Guptil
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3) Kane
4) God
5) Latham
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7) Santner
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9) Sodhi
10) Ferguson?
11) Boult

There are really only 3-4 spots up for grabs in the ODI team
- a second opener - one possibility the fans on message boards like is promote Kane to open and Will Young to three. OR you could keep faith with Munro who just butchered 140 runs off 110 deliveries in a Ford Trophy match.
- someone to bat at 6 - might have to be Nicholls by default to a void in other alternatives
- someone to bat at 8 - ideally this will be CDG, but his batting is sporadic and he is turning into a bits and pieces cricketer.

We will probably not do well at this year's cricket world cup unless the selectors start pulling some rabbits out of hats. But 2023 looks very good for us with many new faces on the horizon who are just making a name for themselves in domestic now.
Ideally Ross will keep going longer than expected.
 
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I don't think Sodhi is ever going to get there.

Still can't tie up an end which is a must for a spinner.

Bowls far too many loose deliveries. It's accepted that Leggy's will bowl the odd long hop but for me Sodhi bowls about one boundary ball an over which isn't good enough for that level.
True. You look at Tahir. He ties our batsmen up and suffocates them. Sodhi doesn't have that effect. They do say that the modern leggy does take time to master the art. Warney got better as time rolled on. Could Sodhi get better? He's till quite young you know.
 
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Great post.

You can either view the NZ cricket team as a glass half full or a glass half empty. Because the fans are all competitive and want to be world's number one we have perhaps unrealistically high standards given our population size.
From a glass is half full perspective we have a strong nucleus of an ODI side.

1) Guptil
2)
3) Kane
4) God
5) Latham
6)
7) Santner
8)
9) Sodhi
10) Ferguson?
11) Boult

There are really only 3-4 spots up for grabs in the ODI team
- a second opener - one possibility the fans on message boards like is promote Kane to open and Will Young to three. OR you could keep faith with Munro who just butchered 140 runs off 110 deliveries in a Ford Trophy match.
- someone to bat at 6 - might have to be Nicholls by default to a void in other alternatives
- someone to bat at 8 - ideally this will be CDG, but his batting is sporadic and he is turning into a bits and pieces cricketer.

We will probably not do well at this year's cricket world cup unless the selectors start pulling some rabbits out of hats. But 2023 looks very good for us with many new faces on the horizon who are just making a name for themselves in domestic now.
Ideally Ross will keep going longer than expected.
Neesham and Anderson caused this problem. Injury wrecked their careers. They were developing well at one stage and looked like a potent force. But now we're looking at the younger mob who will take time again to develop. CDG is a one trick pony. The POMs worked him out.
 
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NZ doesn't get enough test cricket. It is a specialist game and the money and opportunity is in the limited over game.
 
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NZ doesn't get enough test cricket. It is a specialist game and the money and opportunity is in the limited over game.
The IPL particularly.

You can’t beat a decent test match imho, far better than a 20 or even 50 over thrash
 
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You can’t beat a decent test match imho, far better than a 20 or even 50 over thrash
You bloody dinosaur. I never used to miss a test at Eden Park. I didn't go last year because the website showed too many seats booked out (which was total bullshit), so I didn't bother going, which I should have.
 
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You bloody dinosaur. I never used to miss a test at Eden Park. I didn't go last year because the website showed too many seats booked out (which was total bullshit), so I didn't bother going, which I should have.
Do the Eden Park memberships still include Test Cricket? If so, that’s why it probably showed so many seats booked out.
 
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You bloody dinosaur. I never used to miss a test at Eden Park. I didn't go last year because the website showed too many seats booked out (which was total bullshit), so I didn't bother going, which I should have.
(Adopts Geoff Boycott accent..) Test match cricket has more variety and is a better examination of a players technique and temperament.
 
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(Adopts Geoff Boycott accent..) Test match cricket has more variety and is a better examination of a players technique and temperament.
Trouble is people got sick of watching Boycott bat, or should I say block.:rolleyes:
 
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(Adopts Geoff Boycott accent..) Test match cricket has more variety and is a better examination of a players technique and temperament.
Trouble is people got sick of watching Boycott bat, or should I say block.:rolleyes:
In 1978, one of my uncles went down to Wellington with some of his mates to watch the first test against England. As he tells the story, at the start of the first innings, all the poms in the crowd were chanting “England, England”. After a few hours, the chanting had gotten replaced with a number of the NZ supporters chanting “Yawnland, Yawnland” because of Boycott’s pathetic run scoring. Family folklore is that it was he and his mates who started the chant.
 
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In 1978, one of my uncles went down to Wellington with some of his mates to watch the first test against England. As he tells the story, at the start of the first innings, all the poms in the crowd were chanting “England, England”. After a few hours, the chanting had gotten replaced with a number of the NZ supporters chanting “Yawnland, Yawnland” because of Boycott’s pathetic run scoring. Family folklore is that it was he and his mates who started the chant.
That year the Poms won the test at Eden Park. Botham was the team newbie and got elected to go out and run Boycott out so they could chase some runs and win the game, which was what happened.
 
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