Politics 🤡 Donald Trump

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This extensive forum discussion centers around Donald Trump and American politics, with users expressing diverse viewpoints on his legal challenges, political future, and broader impact on American democracy. The conversation spans multiple years of Trump-related developments from court cases to election implications.
Recently, sup42 #304 explains how Trump's disqualification under the 14th Amendment faces unprecedented legal challenges, noting that the amendment was originally intended to prevent Confederate officials from holding office. Several users discuss Trump's removal from state ballots, with Ozwarrior #301 reporting on Maine becoming the second state to block Trump from its 2024 ballot following Colorado's decision. Noitall #305 expresses concern about Supreme Court justices appointed by Trump potentially influencing decisions on his eligibility.
The discussion reveals sharp divisions regarding Trump's legal accountability and democratic implications. sup42 #249 describes Trump as "probably the worst human being that the Americans have ever offered unlimited power to" and compares him unfavorably to historical figures including Nixon and Confederate leaders. Meanwhile, watcher #280 raises questions about disqualifying Trump without convictions, arguing that his supporters remain legitimate voters in a democratic system.
Recent posts highlight concerns about broader democratic erosion. MaybeTop8 #295 characterizes Trump as "an authoritarian fascist who is trying to steal power" for reasons including avoiding prosecution and narcissism. Noitall #307 criticizes the entire Republican Party as "crooked" after noting how Trump's challengers pledge to pardon him if convicted. The conversation also touches on media influence, with users debating whether right-wing or left-wing perspectives dominate American media landscape, and discussing the role of courts as potential saviors of American democracy.

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wizard of Tauranga said:
India has the capacity to offset the reliance on China. For all the drawbacks of India, it’s still a former commonwealth country that politically has far less issues than China, but with a huge increasingly affluent population that we can build trade with.
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Youre dreaming mate. Go talk to regular Canadians about the topic. Its at boiling point over there

www.theguardian.com

Why has Canada accused Indian diplomats of ‘criminal’ activities?

Police say they have evidence of homicides, harassment and threats against Canadian Sikhs
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Noitall said:
India is one market where NZ will be hopeful of getting something sorted that would contribute to a descaling of NZ and China economically but who knows what’s in the fine print of any free trade deal?
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Why would we want to do that, we'd likely end up paying more for lesser quality imports or exporting less dairy and beef and thus decreasing GDP??
 
Brightman said:
Why would we want to do that, we'd likely end up paying more for lesser quality imports or exporting less dairy and beef and thus decreasing GDP??
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I’m not saying that’s what I think we should do but I think it’s obvious that NZ sees potential when Winston Peters was in recent times speaking about NZ’s ties to India goes deeper than economically, but also extends to defence and security. I think it’s going to grow increasingly difficult for NZ to have deep ties to China in trade and have America happy for that with such a petulant president and our increasing trade ties to America in recent years now second largest to NZ. Rightly so NZ raised alarm about Chinese warships in the Pacific, but also were quiet about being in contested waters ourselves. It looks to me like we’re strengthening ties to America, all just my view
 
Noitall said:
I’m not saying that’s what I think we should do but I think it’s obvious that NZ sees potential when Winston Peters was in recent times speaking about NZ’s ties to India goes deeper than economically, but also extends to defence and security. I think it’s going to grow increasingly difficult for NZ to have deep ties to China in trade and have America happy for that with such a petulant president and our increasing trade ties to America in recent years now second largest to NZ. Rightly so NZ raised alarm about Chinese warships in the Pacific, but also were quiet about being in contested waters ourselves. It looks to me like we’re strengthening ties to America, all just my view
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It's funny you say, right now DT is attempting to make tariffs his call and bypass Congress while weaponizing tariffs as has been done with sanctions.

The G7 are really shit scared of BRICS and keep taking actions that brought the world the BRICS alternative instead of finding a way to work alongside. The days of western supremacy are numbered if not already gone. Even if they bring us to WW3..

So, I believe we'll keep our deep trade ties with China but we really should stop attending NATO summits!!
 
Brightman said:
It's funny you say, right now DT is attempting to make tariffs his call and bypass Congress while weaponizing tariffs as has been done with sanctions.

The G7 are really shit scared of BRICS and keep taking actions that brought the world the BRICS alternative instead of finding a way to work alongside. The days of western supremacy are numbered if not already gone. Even if they bring us to WW3..

So, I believe we'll keep our deep trade ties with China but we really should stop attending NATO summits!!
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Scandinavia seems to be a region doing things right and Europe too in many places values it’s democracy so i see value in nato for the countries that are in there. I see value in any pact between countries for ourselves and keeping close ties to China, I’m just not sure it’s going to be possible. I agree with you largely though
 
Noitall said:
Europe too in many places values it’s democracy
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I don't think so, maybe as sovereign nations but the EU has manipulated it's way into leadership and are now looking to absorb NATO as its military.

Basically since WW2 American influence has ultimately turned most of Europe into vassal states and the EU should have been a competitor to the USA and ASEAN but were turned out by the illegal war against Serbia, the Bosnian war..
 
Noitall said:
www.telegraph.co.uk

Dan Bongino ‘may step down from FBI’

Bureau’s deputy director has come under fire for failing to release a tranche of evidence relating to Jeffrey Epstein
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Epstein files could turn into a problem for trump
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Limited Hangout, tell em the truth about one thing and they're more likely to believe your lies about everything else.

Just in from the CIA on Morning Joe, looks like the Sicilian mafia had Joe Kennedy's boys whacked. It gets more like Gangs of NY every day.

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CIA says officer monitored Oswald | DOJ, FBI conclude Epstein had no "client list," died by suicide

For the first time since President Kennedy's assassination nearly 62 years ago, the CIA has tacitly admitted that an officer specializing in psychological warfare ran an operation that came into contact with Lee Harvey Oswald before the Dallas killing, Axios reports. Also, President Trump's...
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