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Noitall said:
But when referencing democracy, you can’t cherry pick the parts you want. Though you use the technicality that he hasn’t been convicted of anything, he still is yet to concede he lost the election to Biden and and he orchestrated an insurrection on a parliamentary building to try and keep power.
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That has to be proven. The msm have cherry picked the information they want to highlight. He does not think he lost to Biden. So why should he concede? His comments were ill advised, but it still has to be proven in law the accusations made. Personally I do not think Biden and Trump are worthy leaders.
 
watcher said:
That has to be proven. The msm have cherry picked the information they want to highlight. He does not think he lost to Biden. So why should he concede? His comments were ill advised, but it still has to be proven in law the accusations made. Personally I do not think Biden and Trump are worthy leaders.
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He knows he lost to Biden. Its only his ego and narcissism that won't allow him to say it out loud.
Oh, and the small thing of being president again so he can pardon himself and all the goons that sided with him - watch if he does. even if they did his dirty work for him the ones he thinks 'turned' or are 'weak' he will be yeah, nah!
As for Biden, he's the lesser of 2 evils as the saying goes.
As for the left and right shite, as if idealogical political leanings is the defining attribute of who you are? Ffs
 
watcher said:
That has to be proven. The msm have cherry picked the information they want to highlight. He does not think he lost to Biden. So why should he concede? His comments were ill advised, but it still has to be proven in law the accusations made. Personally I do not think Biden and Trump are worthy leaders.
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He absolutely knows he lost. He's an authoritarian fascist who is trying to steal power, for simple reasons like avoiding prosecution, narcissism and vanity.
 
watcher said:
A couple of points as we are discussing democracy here. I am not a Trump fan but...

How can he be disqualified, he has not been convicted of anything.
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OK this is a civil trial so the word ‘conviction’ doesn't strictly apply, however in the NY fraud trial the judge has already issued a summary judgement to the effect that Trump and his company have been committing fraud for years. The argument is about the the amount of fine that should apply and any other sanctions.
 
Hardyman's Yugo said:
OK this is a civil trial so the word ‘conviction’ doesn't strictly apply, however in the NY fraud trial the judge has already issued a summary judgement to the effect that Trump and his company have been committing fraud for years. The argument is about the the amount of fine that should apply and any other sanctions.
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Perhaps, but I suggest pretty much any corperation flies close to the wind in these matters. I am concerned these prosecutions are politically motivated.
 
watcher said:
A couple of points as we are discussing democracy here. I am not a Trump fan but...

How can he be disqualified, he has not been convicted of anything.

He is doing well in the polls. I suggest not all his supporters are MAGA type extremist. Even if they are they still are US citizens who are free to vote for who they want.

People also vote against candidates. They do not see Biden as supporting the US people.
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Because to was still President when the events at the Capitol occurred, he couldn‘t go to court. I think he was impeached but it could get through one of the houses because the Republicans controlled it.
 
miket12 said:
Because to was still President when the events at the Capitol occurred, he couldn‘t go to court. I think he was impeached but it could get through one of the houses because the Republicans controlled it.
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I agree. And it just shows how stuffed up their political system is.
 

Major blow to Trump’s presidential campaign​

Jack Evans
A second US state has blocked former president Donald Trump from its 2024 ballot over his involvement in the January 2021 Capitol riots.
The US state of Maine has blocked former president Donald Trump from its Republican presidential primary over his involvement in the January 2021 assault on the US Capitol.
Maine Secretary of State Shenna Bellows, the state’s top election official, said in a ruling that the events of January 6, 2021 “occurred at the behest of, and with the knowledge and support of, the outgoing President,” adding “the US Constitution does not tolerate an assault on the foundations of our government.”

The Trump campaign immediately confirmed it would be challenging the ruling.

Secretary Bellows’ move follows a precedent set by the Colorado Supreme Court in December, which barred Trump from the ballot in that state under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment.

Although Colorado leans Democratic and is not expected to be a battleground for Republicans in the upcoming election, the decisions in both states potentially underscore a growing trend.

Trump’s campaign quickly slammed Bellows’ ruling as “attempted theft of an election and the disenfranchisement of the American voter.”

Maine is the second US state to blocked former president Donald Trump from its 2024 ballot. (Photo by KAMIL KRZACZYNSKI / AFP)

Maine is the second US state to blocked former president Donald Trump from its 2024 ballot. (Photo by KAMIL KRZACZYNSKI / AFP)
“Make no mistake, these partisan election interference efforts are a hostile assault on American democracy,” campaign spokesman Steven Cheung said in a statement, accusing President Joe Biden and Democrats of “relying on the force of government institutions to protect their grip on power.”

Mr Cheung confirmed Trump would appeal the Maine secretary of state’s decision.

Bellows determined that Trump’s involvement in the January 6, 2021, attack on the US Capitol violated Section 3, which prohibits individuals who “engaged in insurrection” from holding office.

The decision was prompted by challenges from Maine residents, including a bipartisan group of former lawmakers, questioning Trump’s eligibility.

Responding to Trump’s legal team, who sought her disqualification over alleged bias in her personal Tweets, Bellows stood by her decision, labelling the Capitol attack an “insurrection” and expressing disappointment that Trump escaped conviction in the US Senate despite impeachment by the US House.

While Bellows’ ruling is a significant development, it is not a final verdict on Trump’s political future.

The decisions of both Maine and Colorado will be challenged in the US Supreme Court, which will weigh up whether Trump remains eligible to run for president early next year.

The Colorado Republican Party has appealed against the Colorado’s Supreme Court decision which found Donald Trump ineligible for the presidency.

Colorado’s Secretary of State, Jena Griswold, said that with the appeal filed, Trump will be included as a candidate on the state’s primary ballot unless the US Supreme Court decides not to hear the case or upholds the state supreme court’s ruling.

– With AFP

Read related topics:Donald Trump
 
Ozwarrior said:

Major blow to Trump’s presidential campaign​

Jack Evans
A second US state has blocked former president Donald Trump from its 2024 ballot over his involvement in the January 2021 Capitol riots.
The US state of Maine has blocked former president Donald Trump from its Republican presidential primary over his involvement in the January 2021 assault on the US Capitol.
Maine Secretary of State Shenna Bellows, the state’s top election official, said in a ruling that the events of January 6, 2021 “occurred at the behest of, and with the knowledge and support of, the outgoing President,” adding “the US Constitution does not tolerate an assault on the foundations of our government.”

The Trump campaign immediately confirmed it would be challenging the ruling.

Secretary Bellows’ move follows a precedent set by the Colorado Supreme Court in December, which barred Trump from the ballot in that state under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment.

Although Colorado leans Democratic and is not expected to be a battleground for Republicans in the upcoming election, the decisions in both states potentially underscore a growing trend.

Trump’s campaign quickly slammed Bellows’ ruling as “attempted theft of an election and the disenfranchisement of the American voter.”

Maine is the second US state to blocked former president Donald Trump from its 2024 ballot. (Photo by KAMIL KRZACZYNSKI / AFP)

Maine is the second US state to blocked former president Donald Trump from its 2024 ballot. (Photo by KAMIL KRZACZYNSKI / AFP)
“Make no mistake, these partisan election interference efforts are a hostile assault on American democracy,” campaign spokesman Steven Cheung said in a statement, accusing President Joe Biden and Democrats of “relying on the force of government institutions to protect their grip on power.”

Mr Cheung confirmed Trump would appeal the Maine secretary of state’s decision.

Bellows determined that Trump’s involvement in the January 6, 2021, attack on the US Capitol violated Section 3, which prohibits individuals who “engaged in insurrection” from holding office.

The decision was prompted by challenges from Maine residents, including a bipartisan group of former lawmakers, questioning Trump’s eligibility.

Responding to Trump’s legal team, who sought her disqualification over alleged bias in her personal Tweets, Bellows stood by her decision, labelling the Capitol attack an “insurrection” and expressing disappointment that Trump escaped conviction in the US Senate despite impeachment by the US House.

While Bellows’ ruling is a significant development, it is not a final verdict on Trump’s political future.

The decisions of both Maine and Colorado will be challenged in the US Supreme Court, which will weigh up whether Trump remains eligible to run for president early next year.

The Colorado Republican Party has appealed against the Colorado’s Supreme Court decision which found Donald Trump ineligible for the presidency.

Colorado’s Secretary of State, Jena Griswold, said that with the appeal filed, Trump will be included as a candidate on the state’s primary ballot unless the US Supreme Court decides not to hear the case or upholds the state supreme court’s ruling.

– With AFP

Read related topics:Donald Trump
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Long may this continue.
 

14th Amendment​

Section 3.​

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
 
Shogun said:

14th Amendment​

Section 3.​

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
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On paper it seems cleaIr and straight forward.

The legal arguments I heard is that the 14th Amendment was intended to stop the Confederacy holding office.

Therefore Trump being blocked is unprecedented and therefore untested, with many legal experts suggesting Trump does not qualify.

If the height of the Bar is the Confederacy, then it could be argued that the 14th amendment never intended blocking people like Trump.

Ergo it is up to the Supreme court ultimately to decide whether orchestrating an insurrection is the same thing as declaring war against the Union states in terms of invoking this anachronistic amendment.
 
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sup42 said:
On paper it seems cleaIr and straight forward.

The legal arguments I heard is that the 14th Amendment was intended to stop the Confederacy holding office.

Therefore Trump being blocked is unprecedented and therefore untested, with many legal experts suggesting Trump does not qualify.

If the height of the Bar is the Confederacy, then it could be argued that the 14th amendment never intended blocking people like Trump.

Ergo it is up to the Supreme court ultimately to decide whether orchestrating and insurrection is the same thing as declaring war against the Union states in terms of invoking this anachronistic amendment.
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Concerning thing about the supreme court is the ones in there appointed by him.
 
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