It wouldn't be a NZ election season without Winston playing all sides against each other like the Scottish mΔori Machiavelli.
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tyrael
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Your such a fuckhead mate.If someone takes your property as an individual it is theft. Yet when the government can take our personal money as taxes this is seen a money tree by the left to spend with little care in the world!
I can see why the lefts attitude evolved into Gol shoplifting - straight up communist βwhatβs yours is mineβ mindset
People came together pooled money for the greater good like healthcare and homes for the retarded rather than gas chambers and homelessness.
But you just see it as people stealing your hard earned. Even though you benefit greatly from government. Like your daycare cartel.
tyrael
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Luxon is chicken shit and a useless kent.
wizard of Tauranga
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No! NZβs tax collection has been 30-32% of GDP for the last 50 years. Little change.
It just means our accountants have to work harder and harder to stop the govt from being greedy. Have some empathy for the poor stressed out accountants
The idea we need significantly MORE tax like the loopy Greens propose scares me for the unintended consequences. I have no problem with keeping it the same.
wizard of Tauranga
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And on tax, our tax as a percentage of GDP is not an issue.
Hereβs the real issue.
If you have a set population, keep the same tax rate but double productivity (GDP) you get double the tax income to spend on social good.
Eg Nz, 5m people, 32% tax, $50k GDP per person = $80b in tax.
Double the GDP per person to $100k via better productivity doubles the tax take to $160b
Weβve just solved our health, education, roads, superannuation, etc problems with NO NEW TAXES.
Itβs so simple. But the greens and Labour donβt have a clue - more taxes stifles the economy.
Hereβs the real issue.
If you have a set population, keep the same tax rate but double productivity (GDP) you get double the tax income to spend on social good.
Eg Nz, 5m people, 32% tax, $50k GDP per person = $80b in tax.
Double the GDP per person to $100k via better productivity doubles the tax take to $160b
Weβve just solved our health, education, roads, superannuation, etc problems with NO NEW TAXES.
Itβs so simple. But the greens and Labour donβt have a clue - more taxes stifles the economy.
If it is so simple, how come the current government hasn't doubled productivity?
Exactly. I mean to do that you would probably have to start by fixing education, reducing crime, maybe try and get some free trade deals going. Something like that I guess?
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Halt immigration of unskilled labour.
Fixing education and crime are great social goals and obviously desirable, however, a safe and educated population does not equal productivity... We already have one of the most educated and law abiding populations in the OECD. We also already have FTA with the UK, EU, China etc if trade deals were the answer to doubling productivity we would have seen that jump ten years ago.
wizard of Tauranga
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It takes decades and needs the will of the people. Increasing taxes is short termism with worse long term consequences.
Focus on doubling resources, tourism, agriculture, dairy, etc and itβs doable.
Agree that we need long term will, but agriculture and tourism are low productivity industries already. If we just double the amount of cows or tourists, we'll need twice the low wage labour and twice the land. To actually double productivity we need to stop working by volume and work on value. The real long termism is investing in technology and R&D so that one worker can produce inherently more value.
juju
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Exactly and have the general population behind your plan - not calling them negative and whiny, attacking low income woman, mΔori, the environment etc etc.
Nice Fan Girl-ing though - meanwhile the National Party are having votes of confidence & the coalition partners are eating each other alive.
What a fail.
tyrael
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There are taxes we can do like bed levies that this government refuses to do. Many Asian countries do it, doesn't stop tourism.
Thatβs what the previous Government did during Covid times and I can still hear the criticism ringing in my ears!
And most European countries
I didn't say trade deals were the single answer but there is no doubt they have grown the economy previously and new ones will also do so. Education and crime are far more than social goals. If they don't equal productivity then what are the benefits of them?
There are a number of things that will help grow the economy/productivity. There is no simple answer and will take probably decades to do.
More than likely the short timespan of government terms will see continued flip flopping of policy as new ones are elected and hoping to be reelected.
I'll repeat my question, If education and low crime were one of the keys to doubling productivity, why is NZ, one of the world leaders in both, still stuck at the bottom of the OECD productivity rankings?
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Didnβt they halt all immigration? Look Iβm not saying Iβd support this because I believe we have a duty of care to less developed nations & people looking for a better future, however there are undeniable demographic trends that arenβt helpful for productivity in this country.
And I'll repeat my question. If they don't equal productivity then what benefit do they provide? Your assertion is that they are merely social goals.
Our education results have declined remarkably over time. Any correlation with our productivity stats?
And again, there is no simple, single answer. Education is certainly part of it though.
