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Yea, but we had to work at an afterschool job for 12 hours once we got home!

Progress - the youngsters of today get 4 civil defence warnings if if might get a bit wet and windy.
Actually that's something I hadn't thought about. The number of kids with phones who would get the alerts and be worried the sky was falling down
 
Obviously you haven’t heard the story about the boy that cried wolf.

Research β€˜warning fatigue’ - it’s a real thing and leads to loss in trust in authorities.

Do we ever have a storm nowadays without weather warnings and Auckland Bridge being closed?

Back when I was a kid we walked 30km to school every day all uphill in blizzards and none of us ever complained.
Not complaining & Wiz in the same sentence doesnt ring true to me. ;)
 
Yes JN, we have become a risk averse nation.

The original HSE legislation in '92 including the clause "take all practicable steps" (and the lack of definition) was a definite cause of it.
It was left to the courts to define and that caused a serious amount of angst in many cases as the issue of personal responsibility became secondary to blaming others.

We still haven't got over that to this day. White Island being a recent example
Come on Rick. Only the government knows what’s good for people. We can’t have individuals making decisions based of their personal circumstances.
 
I don’t need 4 civil defence blasts on my phone. I got it the first few times… I will turn them off in future.

Heard the story about crying wolf?

What do you think about the mount still closed and nothing happening to reopen it?
MetService had to alter their warning systems, as required by the coroner after the April 2008 students and teacher died in the Mangatepopo Stream Tragedy. Since then, it seems that a lot of weather systems have warnings that are more than required. The OPC in Tongariro being fined over $450k, and any organisation (including MetService) become far more conservative in their warnings.
 
MetService had to alter their warning systems, as required by the coroner after the April 2008 students and teacher died in the Mangatepopo Stream Tragedy. Since then, it seems that a lot of weather systems have warnings that are more than required. The OPC in Tongariro being fined over $450k, and any organisation (including MetService) become far more conservative in their warnings.
As I mentioned earlier its all about litigation.
 
Yes JN, we have become a risk averse nation.

The original HSE legislation in '92 including the clause "take all practicable steps" (and the lack of definition) was a definite cause of it.
It was left to the courts to define and that caused a serious amount of angst in many cases as the issue of personal responsibility became secondary to blaming others.

We still haven't got over that to this day. White Island being a recent example
Another aspect probably not remembered is that the legislation also brought to an end Govt supervision and policing of many Industrial environments in NZ.

Scaffolding is one in particular where prior to the legislation, the state made the rules and workers were tested and approved by the Labour Dept. Same for Safety Supervisors (you needed a ticket to supervise more than 10 men) where you had to sit a written exam and also an oral in front of the local Factory Inspector.

After '92, all that became the employers responsibility and what were once rules now became advice.

Was quite a dangerous time (for cowboys) until employers devised their own systems, the efficacy of which was often tested in court.
 
Another aspect probably not remembered is that the legislation also brought to an end Govt supervision and policing of many Industrial environments in NZ.

Scaffolding is one in particular where prior to the legislation, the state made the rules and workers were tested and approved by the Labour Dept. Same for Safety Supervisors (you needed a ticket to supervise more than 10 men) where you had to sit a written exam and also an oral in front of the local Factory Inspector.

After '92, all that became the employers responsibility and what were once rules now became advice.

Was quite a dangerous time (for cowboys) until employers devised their own systems, the efficacy of which was often tested in court.
Ever tries to change a roof lately.

Daylight robbery. While industries have opened up around scaffolding, traffic management, site drop nets, compliance, etc.

The opportunity cost of all the H&S legislation is we need to live with a lower standard of living for all the unproductive costs incurred in the economy.

The cost to everyone in my opinion exceeds the benefits.
 
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