Politics 🤡 Donald Trump
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Here's the info re Obama:
During Barack Obama's presidency (January 20, 2009, to January 20, 2017), U.S. Border Patrol reported the following migrant deaths along the southwest border, which are often attributed to enforcement policies like border security measures that push crossings into more dangerous areas:
- FY 2009: 263
- FY 2010: 365
- FY 2011: 375
- FY 2012: 471
- FY 2013: 451
- FY 2014: 315
- FY 2015: 251
- FY 2016: 329
- FY 2017: 298 (partial, as FY 2017 ended in September 2017)
Total: 3,118.
For deaths in ICE custody during the same period, official records show 74 deaths.
In our defence force would be putting Nicola Willis next to an enemy until their eardrums bleed
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Yes, Trump does seem to be going nuclear, in the sense that he is pushing the boundaries and questioning/challenging laws, the constitution, rejecting international agreements etc. I like some questioning and others are concerning.
However there was concerns in Bidens time with liberties aswell. Both sides have issues. The difference is the conservative or super populist like Trump will do it in your face, while the left will do it underground and behind closed doors.
That's my view.
Now do Trump, you also changed the criteria initially referring to cages which is why I specified deaths in ICE custody.
Interesting that you included until September 2017 when Obama was out of office in Jan 20 2017.
By these stats - Biden had the most deaths per year (Border patrol and Ice detention stats)! But the least if you only want to consider ICE detention.
(Interesting that you included until September 2017 when Obama was out of office in Jan 20 2017. - Answer: Obviously the stats are only done by the year- Notice Trumps highest death year was majority Biden. Biden least deaths was 2025 and shared with Trump
).Since you asked:
TRUMP:
During Donald Trump's presidencies (first term: January 20, 2017, to January 20, 2021; second term: January 20, 2025, to present), U.S. Border Patrol reported the following migrant deaths along the southwest border, often attributed to enforcement policies such as border security measures that channel crossings into hazardous terrains:
### First Term (2017-2021)
- FY 2017: 298
- FY 2018: 281
- FY 2019: 300
- FY 2020: 254
- FY 2021: 568 (partial, as FY 2021 ended in September 2021)
Total: 1,701.
For deaths in ICE custody during the same period (calendar years 2017-2021), official records indicate 52 deaths. These include incidents involving medical neglect, suicides, and other causes in immigration detention.
### Second Term (2025-present)
With significantly reduced border crossings due to stricter enforcement, migrant deaths have dropped sharply. For FY 2025 (October 2024-September 2025, partial under Trump from January onward): 35 deaths.
For deaths in ICE custody in calendar year 2025: 32 deaths.
This marks a high for recent years, amid increased detentions. Data for 2026 is incomplete as of January 2026.
BIDEN:
During Joe Biden's presidency (January 20, 2021, to January 20, 2025; note that he served one term, not two), U.S. Border Patrol reported the following migrant deaths along the southwest border, often attributed to enforcement policies like border security measures that push crossings into more dangerous areas:
- FY 2021: 568
- FY 2022: 853
- FY 2023: 686
- FY 2024: 533
- FY 2025: 35 (partial, up to January 2025)
Total: 2,675.
For deaths in ICE custody during the same period, official records show 26 deaths. This includes cases of medical neglect, suicides, and other causes while detained under immigration policies.
NZWarriors.com
I'm not sure why you have included Biden but thank you. I thought we were talking about Obama and TrumpBy these stats - Biden had the most deaths per year (Border patrol and Ice detention stats)! But the least if you only want to consider ICE detention.
(Interesting that you included until September 2017 when Obama was out of office in Jan 20 2017. - Answer: Obviously the stats are only done by the year- Notice Trumps highest death year was majority Biden. Biden least deaths was 2025 and shared with Trump
Since you asked:
TRUMP:
During Donald Trump's presidencies (first term: January 20, 2017, to January 20, 2021; second term: January 20, 2025, to present), U.S. Border Patrol reported the following migrant deaths along the southwest border, often attributed to enforcement policies such as border security measures that channel crossings into hazardous terrains:
### First Term (2017-2021)
- FY 2017: 298
- FY 2018: 281
- FY 2019: 300
- FY 2020: 254
- FY 2021: 568 (partial, as FY 2021 ended in September 2021)
Total: 1,701.
For deaths in ICE custody during the same period (calendar years 2017-2021), official records indicate 52 deaths. These include incidents involving medical neglect, suicides, and other causes in immigration detention.
### Second Term (2025-present)
With significantly reduced border crossings due to stricter enforcement, migrant deaths have dropped sharply. For FY 2025 (October 2024-September 2025, partial under Trump from January onward): 35 deaths.
For deaths in ICE custody in calendar year 2025: 32 deaths.
This marks a high for recent years, amid increased detentions. Data for 2026 is incomplete as of January 2026.
BIDEN:
During Joe Biden's presidency (January 20, 2021, to January 20, 2025; note that he served one term, not two), U.S. Border Patrol reported the following migrant deaths along the southwest border, often attributed to enforcement policies like border security measures that push crossings into more dangerous areas:
- FY 2021: 568
- FY 2022: 853
- FY 2023: 686
- FY 2024: 533
- FY 2025: 35 (partial, up to January 2025)
Total: 2,675.
For deaths in ICE custody during the same period, official records show 26 deaths. This includes cases of medical neglect, suicides, and other causes while detained under immigration policies.
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I’ve really enjoyed listening to Martin Bella recently and he often has a bit of perspective
Almost as if it isn’t actually happening
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Yeah, I get what you are saying.
I'm saying that it isn't actually happening.
You are trying to "both sides" what is happening in the US, but I don't understand who the "extreme left" are in your argument. I see the following possibilities: (1) Biden/Obama-type Democrats; (2) Bernie Sanders/AOC-type Democrats; (3) some historical example of extreme left; or (4) a hypothetical extreme left. Any of those?
I am not trying to do anything. I am telling you what I think.
Few presidents are extreme left or right. It is usually elements in the party that they pander to.