At the risk of sounding stupid (which is probably the case), please advise what these figures mean. Does your last comment vindicate using the Super League rule rather than the present kick off rule?
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It shows the regular season ladder & each teams average points for (FPG) vs their against (AFG).
It's open to interpretation but the figures show that the teams at the bottom of the table in Super League were more competitive based off of their +/-
I pressed your comment twice which does suggest a degree of stupidity. However, the results speak louder than words so who can argue that the competition becomes more condensed under the Super League kick-off rule and that can only be good for the game. Maybe a rule change would serve that purpose better than the salary cap does?
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Comparing 1997 to 2025 is flawed in so many ways. So many different rules have changed in that time.
What were the results from the year before and after the rules changed? Did the bottom teams win any more games? Were they more competitive? Honestly, it's a rule change that's not needed and unlikely to have the effect people think it would
The Super League points deferentials for the bottom teams do compare favourable to the 1997 ARL, the reunited comp in 1998 & also to '95
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Figures don't lie?
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Interesting concept, but not sure how I feel about it. Would be better to concentrate on easing up the concussion replacement criteria when players are called off by the independent doctor.
NSW Cup standards would drop considerably & our back ups in specialist positions (ie. Hooker) would play bugger all in a season. Lesser so for Sydney teams though so a disadvantage for our developing players
Another aspect of this - not that the NRL clubs would care too much about this I wouldn't think - is an extended bench in the NRL means less "sexy" NSW Cup/QLD Cup - and maybe even U21s - lineups which the NSWRL and QRL might not like too much, as it might mean a drop-off in fan interest aka money.
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NRL considering changing two rules that dudded Melbourne Storm in grand final
The proposed rule changes will come too late for the Storm. Read more here.
Some new rules for 2026 being considered
The 20m tap after failing to score and dropping the ball over the line no longer being a 7 tackle set. Is a change I like. The 7 tackle set was originally to discourage teams kicking it out and prevent dangerous fullbacks from returning the ball. Even now teams may not have favoured that. Kick chases are much improved they'd likely try and make the fullback work.
Changes to the squads and the interchange are inevitable with the emphasis (rightly so) on head knocks. Teams now need to cover for strange occurances like losing both wingers. Teams are occassionally selecting now to cover injury and not just interchange.
Changes to the squads and the interchange are inevitable with the emphasis (rightly so) on head knocks. Teams now need to cover for strange occurances like losing both wingers. Teams are occassionally selecting now to cover injury and not just interchange.
Surprised that there isn't more people talking about the rule changes in the forum. That 6 man bench could be a massive change this year. Which, on one side means massive improvments for the warriors. Where we no longer "need' that TMM type player on the bench, just incase their is an injury, but instead we could carry both himself and Healey. Where Healey comes on normaly assuming there are no injuries. Allowing for a shake up every game on attack with a x-factor spine player running wild for 20-30 mins while also giving Egan a well needed rest. Then TMM only comes on if there is an injury to any non-hooker spine players, plus center/wing in a pinch. And a backup prop in TSS/EIT so we never lose that winnig pack. Allowing bench selections to be less consertive for when an injury happens and more reactive to the game itself.
But does this put less value in dual position players like capes if the interchange may always carry a backup center/winger? I think not as that allows us to carry TMM as a utility who does not cover center usually. But is that for the best? How do we also manage players growing by playing NSW grade but also needing now two extra players who will not get any game time (as you can still only use 4 from side bench)? If it does mean three players now missing out on key devlopment in NSW grade, how do we manage making sure FG has the best people there for every game without also impeading our best rookies from getting good game time? This makes me think Ivan got a good deal on Ale here as he is exactly who you want in that 18/19 jersey as a backup prop. Someone who does not need the devlopment of NSW grade games but is good enough to step in at anytime. Which is a direction the warriors have gone against, moving out exprence for more youth to get into the NSW team.
What does your 6 person warriors bench look like?
Does a 20th man need to exist if they extend the bench to 6?
I get that the other possible rule changes are huge too. But it feels like this interchange one is the most interesting and possibly team changing. Benefiting
But does this put less value in dual position players like capes if the interchange may always carry a backup center/winger? I think not as that allows us to carry TMM as a utility who does not cover center usually. But is that for the best? How do we also manage players growing by playing NSW grade but also needing now two extra players who will not get any game time (as you can still only use 4 from side bench)? If it does mean three players now missing out on key devlopment in NSW grade, how do we manage making sure FG has the best people there for every game without also impeading our best rookies from getting good game time? This makes me think Ivan got a good deal on Ale here as he is exactly who you want in that 18/19 jersey as a backup prop. Someone who does not need the devlopment of NSW grade games but is good enough to step in at anytime. Which is a direction the warriors have gone against, moving out exprence for more youth to get into the NSW team.
What does your 6 person warriors bench look like?
Does a 20th man need to exist if they extend the bench to 6?
I get that the other possible rule changes are huge too. But it feels like this interchange one is the most interesting and possibly team changing. Benefiting
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You can also only use 4 of the 6 players so that likely would mean AW would only use 3 of them for 3/4 of the game. I also think it potentially puts more pressure on the smaller players when you could have a 4 forward bench to roll on and off with the luxury of a key player at 5 or 6 in case of emergency.
In some regards I like that the NRL is happy to review and make rule changes. On the other hand I think they mess around too much with unnecessary tweaks
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Great analysis.
The bench rule favours squads with depth and deep development squads as it creates more opportunities. Perfect for us!
It’s also great for the amount of HIA’s and injury in the game now. It’s much better to have appropriate cover than disrupting whole teams for injury.
Hopefully the 2 players not used will be available for NSW cup if the games are staggered and travel isn’t a factor. This will favour the Sydney based teams more than us though.
An issue is in situations where the 18th man is currently activated, we sometimes have a 5th player as an interchanges. Will HIA’s allow a 5th bench player to be used?
If they go to 6 man bench then do away with the the former 18th man concept all together. If an extra player needs to be activated it is done from within the 6. Otherwise that "20th" player is a back up to the back ups.
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Well interesting that you say that because i could 100% see more teams going for a spring boks style bench of 4 heavy props. And i do think that puts preasure on Ford and EIT, as i'd assume there is less of a need to have big engine guys in the middle because you can now carry a utility that never gets used outside of injuries. Currently i'd think with Healey needing to be on for a bit and Leka not being a 80 min player, the warriors are not likely to be running a heavy bench anytime soon. I would also hope that this change would mean an end to AW only using 3 of the 4 on the bench some games.You can also only use 4f the 6 players so that likely would mean AW would only use 3 of them for 3/4 of the game. I also think it potentially puts more pressure on the smaller players when you could have a 4 forward bench to roll on and off with the luxury of a key player at 5 or 6 in case of emergency.
In some regards I like that the NRL is happy to review and make rule changes. On the other hand I think they mess around too much with unnecessary tweaks
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Hmmmmm ... 6 on the bench, good, can cover nearly all positions.. kick off options, got my doubts about that.. could shut the opposing team out of the game... depending on circumstances...
Seven tackle set could add more fatigue..
This is where the coaches need to figure out how to exploit these rules...
Seven tackle set could add more fatigue..
This is where the coaches need to figure out how to exploit these rules...
If the interchange rules do change I assume some teams will stack their bench with first graders while others may alternate a few spots quite often.
They will still be trying to get guys game time and keep their fitness up so may not want guys on the bench every week. Some will still be getting games at Cup level.
It could also help with debuting young guys. If you have them on the bench to be part of the squad and for injury cover. You may end up going well in a particular game with interchanges in hand, so send them out to get some first grade time.
They will still be trying to get guys game time and keep their fitness up so may not want guys on the bench every week. Some will still be getting games at Cup level.
It could also help with debuting young guys. If you have them on the bench to be part of the squad and for injury cover. You may end up going well in a particular game with interchanges in hand, so send them out to get some first grade time.
