yes, but Cleary also made top 4 once (2007), prelim final once (2008) and a grand final once (2011). AOB has eeked into the 8 pretty much all those times and been kicked out week 1 of the final. I think the best they did was in 2023 when we thumped them at mt smart in finals week 2. They are at best an edge 8 (7-10) team under AOB. I suspect Knights fans/board think that is the ceiling under him. Imagine what webby would do with KP, Fletcher Sharpe, Bradman Best, etc. He'd get them into a GF within 2-3 years.