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    sup42 said:
    Katoa and Papalii share a pedigree of being singled out by the Warriors as being the next thing....both were offered contract extensions, both were facing struggles, both walked out.

    I think that should be the red flag of no return, i.e. if you have come from our juniors, been groomed for an age, struggled through the teething problems of difficult Warriors performances, and personal form slumps, if the club despite those things offers you an extension and you walk.....you are not Warriors material because even if you come back home a star, you will probably never dig in and stick in the underdog-verse that is the battlers of the NRL....the Warriors.

    What the Warriors need to improve on though, where they are to blame in player retention, is to properly give a player like Sio Siua Taukeiáho an opportunity over other more vaunted names in their Junior ranks.
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    A good read Sup. The thing though is that the players you focused on are all unique & have very different stories.

    Papali'i was off contract, offered less $ at 21 then what he was on at 18, looking at a 3rd coach in 9 months & living out of a suitcase for the foreseeable future. Instead he chose even less money to go to a club that had stability & a coach who had a history of getting the best out of his Second Rowers (Manu Ma'u, Shaun Lane).

    Katoa didn't decline any extension. A month after Webster signed, which was to be his 5th coach at the Warriors, he was granted a release from his final 2 seasons for more opportunities. Was he told he wasn't part of the plans? After going through all 3 seasons of the covid era he'd lived in Australia longer than he ever had in NZ.
    Covid restrictions got the better of good clubmen like Ah Mau, Maumalo & RTS so you have to take that into consideration too.

    I'd love to hear Taukeiaho's story on becoming a middle. He spent an entire season in NSW Cup after leaving the Warriors so I wonder if he got there & their coaches thought he wasn't going to have a much of a career on the edge so they began his transition. Would have much rather that switch took place at the Warriors but compared to the Roosters both our players & coaches are more impatient.

    Nigel Vagana, Thomas Leuluai & SJ all show we shouldn't completely close the door to players wanting to return from other clubs
     
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    CWC said:
    If he's acting out like this due to family member being ill, then the Wahs management are total dicks for throwing it to the public and blow it up like this

    But from what I've seen the last 2 years Webster, Cam and Cappy are the professional ones here, I just weigh the evidence on both sides based on past records and behavior/changes
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    Gotta frame the mental health arguments in context, perhaps I should have said something the other day, but I didn't want to shut down other people during a major fan vent and be that guy with mental health knowledge preaching. In my world any and all discussion of Mental Health is good.

    There is no way on Gods green earth that a Warriors player gets suspended for breach of protocol related to a mental health issue.

    Lets all be clear here. Webster would have asked for a please explain.

    AFB had he hinted at mental health issues, had his family members raised any concerns in that sphere, had the team Doctor commented there is an issue (they have access to all players Medical records including GP, Psychiatrist, therapists consults) then the Warriors would have circled the Wagons.

    No functional company that operates in the media spotlight treads on mental health legislation and the various other employment law acts that protect employees.

    Being unhappy, frustrated, angry, disappointed, sad, unsatisfied, annoyed is not a mental illness, it is a normal reaction to situational factors in life for us all.

    People keep comparing this to the stress they were under during their own unhappy employment experiences of the past. I get it, and I respect all the emphatic supportive comments in here of AFB and his family. I have had some work stress. I know how bad it can be. Very bad. Especially if you mix your priorities and stay on in a job like that, rather than make the obvious call....leave.

    The difference between that experience, and a Axis(i) diagnosis of a major mental disorder is that your mental distress can be relieved by life style changes (Addin Fonua Blake has a choice to leave the stressful work place and take a rest on his colossal salary unlike most of us - however we too have the choice to quit our stress causing job....people do it every day and they are not mentally ill).
    Someone who is mentally ill, could leave a stressful job and that alone will not address the biological drivers of mental illness like chemical imbalances and or psychological trauma/harm that requires professional help from the likes of therapy and or medication.

    So, I think it is very clear this is not a mental health dynamic (although mental health is a dynamic situation, and may come into play at any time - ergo people pointing towards a mental health explanation are not making irrelevant comment in this thread, by all means continue - this chain of events could trigger mental distress after the fact).

    The Warriors would never open themselves up by punishing someone over a mental health related issue because under NZ legislation that is illegal they would also be in breach of contract, and they would be subject to a law suit (an indefensible law suit with court fines and censure from a Judge) they would be in contravention of the human rights act, the health and disabilities code, the World health organization guidelines, locally they would incur NRL censure, loss of sponsorship, media lynching, a fan revolt etc etc.
     
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    Bit of a rumour for ya's (Source - friend of a friends friend who is friends with someones friend)

    Who was the guy on here that said they saw a big dude with leg tattoos in a bar talking to Mohawk?

    So, Apparently Mohawk was with Mark Stewart of Rise Sports Management that night. Who manages several NRL Stars.
    Later that weekend Mohawk & Cappy are seen shaking hands with Reagan Campbell Gillard(No leg tatts ) Just a howzit mate? Probably is. Guess who manages Reagan? Mark Stewart of Rise Sports Management

    Would we be keen? Or?

    Anyway,, Back to talking about Addin.....
     
    snake77 said:
    Let's hope it is just a case of him being disappointed in his performance. In a team environment, you are going to have different personalities and people who react in different ways. Some will be a bit temperamental.

    However, history does show in this competition when you see things shot down like we are seeing from his manager or from the club. There is something to it. You often see player X is committed to the club. The player asks where the rumours are coming from. Then it ends up happening. We had that with Curran over the off-season.

    When they made the compromise to see out the year it was either going to go smoothly or we'd occasionally hear about issues or additional requests to leave and he'd likely get released.

    If he needs to be in Sydney we have a bye coming up. A perfect time for him to have some time off. I'd say he either comes back and this is all put to bed. Or he ends up getting released. The wait until the Cowboys team naming could be a long one.
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    You don’t seriously believe it’s because he was “disappointed” in his own performance do you???… immediately after the game? When he controls his own actions and performances? So he self reflected right after the game- realised what a disappointment he was and thought it was better he didn’t show up to the team celebrations?…. Makes no sense at all..
     
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