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    Canadian_Warriors_Fan said:
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    Dannevegas said:
    Agree, how did we even get to that point. We obviously low balled him initially. Would’ve been a real bad move letting him go as I think he’ll be our long term centre and a gun one
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    Well played Warriors.

    For you blokes asking how it ever got to this point, it is just the normal dealings of a well run Warriors recruitment dept by Andrew McFadden.

    The whole NRL know that the Warriors have an excess of future star back row forwards, apart from the NSW cup team advertising this every week they put Fatialofa on the paddock, there have been a bunch of articles and dozens of media mentions about the forwards coming through at the Warriors.

    Penrith are watching Nathan cough I mean Jett every week and Dad is talking to him about who is a goer in this club eh.

    First things first, the Warriors cannot stop any given player wanting to go and join the best team in the NRL eh. No one can if that player really wants to.

    Second of all, this was smart dealings by Fatialofa's agent, clearly Kaylis never really wanted to go to Penrith, rather he wanted more money.

    The Warriors themselves know full well what he has to offer, he is not a player they were going to let go willingly.

    Some fans think the club is dumb, no if joe average fan thinks they can see something lemme tell you, the club knows a hundred fold more about any player than any fan.

    This club has a long history of being irresponsible with its cap management and investing in the wrong youth....mistakes driven by this illusion called 'potential'.

    Kaylis is not ahead of Leka, or Dimitric, or Gannon or Laban, those boys are NRL ready (some like to argue Gannon is not, well I watched his return to the ESL post injury and he is still surprise surprise a decent young talent sorry).

    Some may argue Kaylis has greater potential, and fair enough (remove Gannon from that calculus, because he does specialist roles that the others cannot) maybe Kaylis will be as good as or even better than Leka.....but here is the real shit kicker....he is not ahead of any of those players as far as readiness goes at the time of these negotiations....and the Warriors would be setting a very bad example by putting him ahead purely on potential....so offering him that first offer was not low balling.....it was simply saying mate....you are barely out of highschool....there are a bunch of guys NRL ready right now that play your position....this is what we paid them at your age.....

    I am very interested in seeing what happens with Crosby, he is also has huge potential, but he is not ahead of Kaylis, I mean it is crazy to think that had Crosby come from League, he might have been ahead of all of them.
     
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    Five&Last said:
    How do Penrith even get a look in.

    Its not uncommon for players to test the market so they know how much they are worth and can go back to their club with a dollar figure but the fact that he actually signed the Penrith contract is very concerning.

    McFadden needs to sort his shit out asap.

    Wonder if McFadden being asleep at the wheel let Dolphins swoop in and get Lucian from under our noses.

    Kayliss has a good shot at being a first choice center by end of next year. Berry can't stay fit / Ali also cant stay fit and isn't really improving atm / Pompey is in cruise control again
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    So I had early good intel on this. Lucian and his brother player Harold matts. Lucian was the star & his brother ended up not making the 17 towards the end of the year.

    The warriors offered Lucian a deal, but not Deangelo. The phins offered a package deal, which was the trump card in the end
     
    BangBro's (still banging) said:
    I wouldn't say CNK has been poor, thats a stretch. Yes hes had games he could have done better, but when we were winning, he and egan were up there with RTS, Clark, and Barnett.

    I get the feeling hes playing injured again now though, he hasn't been the same since that knee injury.
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    I think he is like a lot of the team. He is pretty bog standard with great commitment and a winning attitude. When the team is going well with our stars in play he is a useful player (better than that on defence), and when the team is short on numbers and he is one of an over-concentration of average players, he looks poor.

    I think CNK is a fantastic member of our squad, as are a few other players that aren't necessarily gifted. Our issue is this over-saturation of these players. We just need to add quality in a couple of positions and the others will become assets again. That said, fullback is a crucial position offensively.

    What we don't want to do is to throw the baby out with the bathwater and get rid of all of our reliable, committed stock and end up with enigmatic youth as we have been guilty of in the past. There is a balance.
     
    One thing I'd like to see when Healy is in the side. Have him on at the same time as Clark.

    If he comes off the bench, time it with Clark's second stint. Or if he starts and comes back to close out the game, have him come on when Clark is on.

    Even late in the game when our go-forward is struggling, it is noticeable when Clark is back on. Direct hard running.

    I've always been keen if you have a dummy half option that is a running threat. Going direct late in the game and trying to speed things up. If you have a forward who provides the hard runs for the dummy half. Time If possible time the interchanges to match
     
    3rd game on the trot we’ve lost and most of you lost your shit, forgetting we’ve lost a rep player and best halfback, not forgetting all the other injuries. None of us possess half the skill of footy experience that Webster has, yet think you could do better, half the teams shit but would love to see some of you play 80 minutes at that level. I sure as shit can’t and for that reason I refrain from criticising players even when they have a poor game. It’s a game, your life doesn’t depend on the outcome, yes I get pissed off like every one else but I’m over it 10 minutes after full time. I found something else to moan about, like the kids not washing up after themselves. Count yourself very fuckin lucky, you can sit in front of the tv pay for Sky sports now, in a warm house, drinking beer and food on the table, watch our team win or lose. Others are far less fortunate than us. End of the day it’s a game, nothing more nothing less.
     
    Cces said:
    Think this is the best spot to put this. Apologies if not.

    My understanding is the salary cap is a grant distributed by the NRL to the clubs to pay their players. Teams are obligated to spend 97.5% and if they don't they receive some form of monetary fine.

    The reason I bring this up is I was talking to someone who is adamant we're 1M under the cap and the club is content with paying a fine which seems an outrageous claim. Yes, Tohu retired, but contracts begin on 'Nov 1st so there's a couple hundred thousand gone before his announcement without even factoring in upgrades and bonuses that have occurred since.

    In what world would a club pay money out of their own pockets to the NRL, for the privilege to underspend their grant $ which can't be carried forward anyway? In the same vein how would guys in the playing roster feel if their team spent the bare minimum of 97.5% and $285,000 allocated to the club was left unused?
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    Here's my potentially tin foil hat theory as to how they've done it.
    I suspect they spent the cap when they carried out some of the upgrades by loading on to existing contracts with the players agreeing to reductions for future contracts. Therefore not technically front loading as they are different contracts
    For example, here's my hypothetical situation:
    Let's say Leka was on an existing 250K per year contract through to the end of 2026 (signed back when he was 17/18).
    Then let's say his new contract was going to be worth 850K per year from 2027 to 2029.
    But instead of giving him 850K per year for that second contract, both parties agree prior to signing that deal, that they'll reduce it to 650K per year for those 3 years (total reduction of 600K) on the proviso that Leka gets that 600K added to the final 2 years of his existing 2025/2026 contract.
    That way we still spend the current years cap, we don't technically front load a contract as they're separate contracts and we have great cap management for those future years.
    Plus Leka gets 600K in his pocket sooner than he would have. So it's a win win.
    Do that a few times with Laban, Leka, TSS etc to spend the current cap and we've spent the left over money for this year, and set ourselves up with value players for the future.
    Hope that makes sense.
     
    Mr. Brownstone said:
    Ok cool, go on believing that with your fellow rabbit hole buddies. However I can guarantee you there’s just as many, that see your view as the ignorant one. Some just love a conspiracy rather than face up to the reality that our teams just not good enough to win at the moment.
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    I'm not saying we're good enough. We're not.
    And I'm not playing the victim mentality syndrome either.
    Wasnt it obvious to you Gee has a clear bias against the Warriors. He has as a history of it.
    Last night went exactly how i expected it would go. All 50/50 calls against us.
    Continual repeat 6 agains for who knows what.. then the prick tried to square up the stats towards the end of the game by giving us 3 continuous repeat 6 agains on the first and second tackles.. what a joke
    Giving this game to him is the NRL taking the piss....
    But oh no, lets all be positive here.. its not the refs fault but he sure as hell didnt help
     
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