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General YOUR Warriors Team for 2015

Discussion in 'Warriors Discussion' started by mt.wellington, Sep 8, 2014.

  1. mt.wellington
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    Not to be confused with the Dream Warriors Team For 2015 thread.

    This is a more serious thread on your preferred team for 2015 using only current or confirmed signings for next season. So if you dont mind guys, no Steve Matai or Anthony Watmough type selections please. Feel free to select Manu in the forwards type thing.

    I'll start with a out there team to get the thought juices flowing...

    1. Tuimoala Lolohea
    2. Glen Fisiiahi
    3. Konrad Hurrell
    4. Ngani Laumape
    5. David Fusitua
    6. Shaun Johnson
    7. Sam Tomkins
    8. Sam Rapira
    9.Chad Townsend
    10. Manu Vatuvei (c)
    11. Ryan Hoffman
    12. Ben Matulino
    13. Simon Mannering

    14. Jacob Lillyman
    15. Suaia Matagi
    16. Sione Lousi
    17. Ben Henry

    18. Jayson Bukuya
     
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  2. InsideBall
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    Pretty similar team for me:

    1. Tuimoala Lolohea
    2. David Fusitua
    3. Ngani Laumape
    4. Konrad Hurrell
    5. David Fusitua
    6. Sam Tomkins
    7. Shaun Johnson
    8. Jacob Lillyman
    9. Chad Townsend / Thomas Leuluai / Siliva Havili
    10. Ben Matulino
    11. Simon Mannering
    12. Ryan Hoffman
    13. Sione Lousi

    14. Ben Henry
    15. Manu Vatuvei
    16. Suaia Matagi
    17. Sebastine Ikahihifo / Sam Rapira / Sam Lousi

    I think we need to have Simon on the edge at this point, along with Hoffman, just because we lack the defensive nous or capability otherwise. A starting pack of Bull, Mutts, Simon, Hoffman and Lousi has some real size about it, and skill - there's no reason why you couldn't give Matulino the license to ball play a little, especially post-line... in fact, that should be encouraged, particularly when we cross into opposition territory. Manu to come off the bench, play reasonable minutes in the middle. As I said in the other thread, I'd love to see if Chad could be converted into a hooker - I think he's got the requisite base skills and ethic for it; could be the solution at 9 we've all been waiting for. Tomkins moves into the halves, with SJ and ST to play as more traditional halves on both sides of the ruck... which in turn will allow Tui to have more freedom at fullback, and could be told for example to focus more on play through the middle of the ruck, than worry about ball playing on the edges. Benry to be mr fix it - there primarily to come on in the back row, but there as cover for hooker and outside backs.
     
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    Can you please move my post here.

    Isn't it 3 30am on a Monday Mt.? What are you doing up? Still thinking about the loss?
     
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  4. mt.wellington
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    More than just a loss. Its the season. Anyway. Havent discussed the game really or been on the post match thread and dont plan to. Over it and thinking ahead...
     
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    Theres no way Fusitua will be able to defend both sides when he has trouble defending his own right now.
     
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    You underestimate the Fus... the way I see it working, is that he'll slip off tackles so far, he's able to cover both wings at the same time.

    My other solution is 5. Fisiiahi
     
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    willemse Warriors Bench Player

    I personally don't want crazy eyes anywhere near the team. He needs to move on, why did we sign him up long term? There's something wrong between him and princess. Get havili in there. Surely he go any worse then what has been delivered this year.
     
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    I would caveat my team with that being the best we can do without signings.
     
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    Tomkins
    Fish
    Hurrell
    Laumape
    Vatuvei
    Townsend ( Lolohea to usurp him at some point if he is good enough )
    Johnson
    Rapira
    Luleuai ( 60 minute hooker )
    Lillyman
    Mannering
    Hoffman
    Sione Lousi

    Henry ( utility, incl 20 at hooker, 10 or 20 in the back row, injury cover )
    Matulino
    Matagi
    Ikahihifo (sub with lousi)

    The friend security blanket needs to be removed, he is below par at every hooking skill except work rate and leading the line, and not missing tackles i guess.
    He does work harder than the rest, but billy tupou works hard too, does not a good player make.

    Dunno about Manu the prop, 50/50, he is carrying the side from the wing at the moment (not carrying them very far mind you) I fear what would happen if you put him in the middle. But again maybe the need to remove the reliance on him. For the moment we have more nrl ready ( not good, just ready ) forwards than we do wingers.

    He would really provide a lift coming off the bench in place of matagi, shit he was good yesterday, he isnt wearing down with age like it seemed he might 2 years ago. Isn't he playing injured as well? Why can't the rest of these pricks match his effort? Whats wrong with them?

    If this was the NBA, i'd trade Matulino tomorrow, see if the rest of the NRL has caught up to the fact that he just is a mediocre front rower.
    But it ain't so just have to cross fingers and hope he is better. Hard to find a place for him in the backrow unless you move sebastine and lousi to prop. could happen.

    Next cabs of the rank

    Fusitua (back three)
    Allwood (centres)
    Lolohea (halves)
    RFM (edge back row)
    Sam Lousi (lock)
    Lisone (prop)
    Havili (hooker)

    I don't much like the look of our depth either, but mateo, bukuya and neilsen aren't worth their wages, so play the young jokers instead.
     
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    I agree with Mt Wellington and InsideBall that Tomkins needs to GTFO and move to the halves. I'm sick of watching him get ragdoll'd trying to make kick returns...he even tackled himself last night, when the force of him putting a fend on someone actually made him fall over. Even my GF who is a casual observer recognised how ineffective his running game was last night. She asked me why he kept falling over, groaned every time he tried to make a run, and then at the end of the game said he was shit and was her least favourite player haha.. I couldn't really disagree with anything she was saying. I really don't think he meets the minimum physical requirements of a fullback..

    Speaking of lacking the minimum requirements of a position.. I think turning and accelerating quickly is probably a minimum requirement of playing on the wing. We do need to start transitioning Manu to the forwards. he is already playing as a forward, might as well make it official. He cost us two tries last night with his oil tanker styles.

    Speaking of our forwards, they are fucking useless and do nothing.. If i was one of those guys i would be seriously embarrassed that a winger does my job better than me is doing more work than like 5 guys combined. Do they have any pride at all?

    Jason Bukuya 1 run 3m (!?!?!?!?)
    Matulino 5 runs 40m
    Henry 4 runs 27m
    Rapira 4 runs 41m
    Matagi 5 runs 58m
    Mateo 8 runs 66m

    Vatuvei 18 runs 250m (yes big break in there)

    And penrith
    Plum 15 runs 134m
    Mckendry 15 runs 137m
    Kite 15 runs 136m
    Manu 13 runs 113m

    And all the rest pitching in..

    Last week Manu ran 213m more than double any of our forwards.. what are they doing!??! and why haven't they been shamed in to improving their workrate?
     
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    1. Tomkins
    2. Fish
    3. Hurrell
    4. Laumape
    5. Fusitua
    6. Lolohea
    7. Johnson
    8. Lillyman
    9. The Chad
    10. Rapira
    11. Hoffman
    12. Vatuvei
    13. Mannering

    14. Ikahihifo
    15. Matulino
    16. Henry
    17. Lisone/RFM

    That's the best I can do at the moment. Don't like my own team for several reasons

    1) Way too young. Would be the youngest back line in the comp with Tomkins as the elder statesman.

    2) Rapira only there on the basis of having an injury free pre season

    3) Henry to spell Chad at hooker for 20 minutes

    4) We all know TL/Friend are going to be there somewhere.
     
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    I worry about Laumape and Hurrell in the centres defencively but they both have speed and power

    1. Tomkins
    2. Fish
    3. Hurrell
    4. Laumape
    5. (Recruit)
    6. Loloheia (if hes the future give him a go)
    7. Johnson
    8. Lillyman
    9. Havilli/(Recruit)
    10. Vatuvei
    11. Hoffman
    12. Mannering
    13. Ikihihifo

    14. (Recruit big prop)
    15. Matulino
    16. Lousi/Henry (just something missing about these 2, Lousi big but seems to have little impact, Henry a workman but nothing special)
    17. (Rookie)
     
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    i dont care !! ( just yet )

    another average season.......arghhhhhhhhhhh

    i might put some thought into it about Feb
     
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    thats so fucked up fucking pussies
     
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    We were slow across the park in 2014...so injecting Fish,Lolohea and Havili with Manu going to the forwards should make this team alot more dangerous and explosive
    And im naming Matai and Watmough too make me feel better - Watmough signed for Eels (so Pritchard )
    Prop and Wing depth is a concern..some quality signings will be needed

    Tomkins
    Fisiiahi
    Laumape
    Matai
    Peyroux
    Lolohea
    Johnson
    Lillyman
    Havili
    Vatuvei
    Pritchard
    Hoffman
    Mannering

    Lisone
    Matagi
    Lousi
    Henry

    NSW Cup

    Abbey
    Hukatai
    Hurrell
    Allwood
    Fusitua
    Townsend
    Leuluai
    Rapira
    Friend
    Vete
    Matulino
    Ki
    Paasi

    Kata
    Waetford

    Released cause there Mud

    Mateo
    Ikahihifo
    Palavi
    Nielsen
    Gubb
    Bukuya
    Sam Lousi
    Peteru
    Bhana
    Faitala-Mariner
     
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    haha, how is it "out there"?

    All reasonable opinions so far i think..
     
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    Can't fault a lot of what's being said here. Except for mt.wellington having Manu as captain...Manu has been around longer than anyone else but looks like a deer in the headlights a lot of the time, he doesn't really look like a player who is absorbing what's going on around him and adjusting his play accordingly. He tries incredibly hard, which is good...but not a captain for me.

    Interesting suggestions with some of those teams. Both Tui and Tomkins in the halves would be worth a go, though I suppose with Tui I'd feel better about it if he was doing well consistently at NSW Cup level there.

    Though the real area for concern is our forwards. We've got 2 forwards who are relatively consistent and effective in Lillyman and Mannering. What the fuck are the rest of them doing? None of them ever come near anything that would be considered good meters for forwards. Matagi, Rapira, Mateo, Bukuya are a waste of space IMO. How much cap is wasted in those 4? 1 mill? All so they can run 150m between them each week.

    Cappy needs to decide if Ben Matulino is a prop or backrower too...because he started out well when he was moved to the backrow, and since he's been chopped and changed between the positions his performances have fallen off massively. Doubtful that's the only reason but he too has been woeful over the back-end of the season.

    Not at all convinced re TL, probably a great guy to have in the squad, good leader etc...but he just does not look like an NRL quality player. Doesn't kick well, doesn't pass well, can't remember the last time he threw any sort of worthwhile cut-out or short ball to set up a try or line-break. His defense is the only real positive I can think of.

    I have NFI what the team will be, but my priorities for the pre-season would be:
    - Hurrell and Laumape training in the centers all pre-season, with a definite plan to have them both fit and firing come round 1, with specific, simple instructions to both about their roles
    - Fusitua on one wing, outside a set centre, all pre-season long.
    - Manu to the forwards. Obviously been debated for many a season now, but it's time. Clearly his best attribute is running hard/straight, and he's effective at it. He needs to start training in the forwards, with a view to an impact role off the bench. He is just too poor defensively on the wing.
    - Havili training with the first grade squad with a view to actually play him.
    - Tui somewhere in the 17, but again...a player with potential that hopefully can fill a few different positions and add in an extra dimension on attack - until he finds his niche.
    - I'd like to suggest a fix for the forwards, but I can't see how it'll be achieved. Clearly none of the NSW Cup guys are pushing that hard, and we're Ok with letting guys like Paasi and Papalii go...so I don't know what the solution here is? Hoffman won't be the answer, he's steady, but he'll be Simon Mannering 2.0
     
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