General YOUR 2023 WARRIORS TEAM

Latrell and Turbo and big bodies and also world class players, could play them anywhere in a team and they would do well TMM and Taine are tiny and lack the physicality for center, it would be a disaster on defense and would nullify there best attacking attributes.

I like your general point of playing your best players but I don't think this is the way to go. I would go CNK and Vailea at center with Taine at 1 and TMM at 6 if we were to go that route. Personally I would have Taine start the year in NSW cup and bring him in slowly.
Where would you play Metcalf if you wanted to fit him in.
 
In Origin they pick the best 17 and just find positions for people. E.g. Fullbacks play at centre etc.

With that in mind I say we use next year as a rebuilding year and play Vaillea, Taine, and Metcalf as much as possible so they are ready for 2024. All three of them have mastered ISP level and have nothing left to learn there.



1 CNK - has to be him as we had an offensive fuillback in 2022 and that was a disaster.
2 Dallin
3 TMM
4 Taine
5 Vaillea
6 Metcalf
7 Shaun
8 Addin Fonua-Blake
9 Egan
10 Afoa
11 Barnett
12 Niukore
13 Tohu Harris

14 Lussick
15 Walker
16 Curran
17 Ale

18 Jazz
19 Montoya
20 Kosi
21 Volkman
22 Ben Murdoch-Masila
23 Pene
24 Sironen

Other players
25 Berry
26 Okutulo
27 Kepu
28 Kepu
I get the point of playing your best players and making it work but Latrell and Turbo are in a different stratosphere to TMM and Taine (who still has to make the squad)
 
Where would you play Metcalf if you wanted to fit him in.
Oh shit I forgot about Metcalf haha probably 6 or 1 depending what fits better with TMM playing 1 or 6 as well. Although after this year it would be nice to have CNK at fullback for his solid defense but I don't think we can leave out Metcalf with his speed.

It will be an interesting pre season to see how Webster picks the team, the season will be heavily dependent on if Johnson can reclaim a bit of form. We need him to just play a Chad Townsend type role of organizing and putting in smart kicks and I think the talent of the side will be enough to make the 8.
 
I get the point of playing your best players and making it work but Latrell and Turbo are in a different stratosphere to TMM and Taine (who still has to make the squad)
It's a theory which you apply to your own player assets in a scaled down version
That said Fonzie just posted in the recruitment thread that Taine is on a NSW cup contract and isn't eligible for the warriors top grade side. Which is a point I suspect you are making as well in your post.
If Taine is off the table then we still need to fit all our "guns" in the top 13. Note apostrophes around the word guns because guns in our team may not be guns in the bigger picture.

1 CNK
2 Dallin
3 Vaillea
4 TMM
5 Montoya
6 Metcalf
7 Johnson

TMM can be our Val Holmes at centre. He is 5 foot 11 and 87kgs so not terribly far off the required size scale, Euan Aitken is 1 cm taller and 96 kgs.

I guess more simple would be CNK to centre and TMM to full back. Charnze is 6 foot flat and 96kgs

Just thought that CNKs better defence would be more helpful at fullback. But yes you could go for TMM at fullback
 
It's a theory which you apply to your own player assets in a scaled down version
That said Fonzie just posted in the recruitment thread that Taine is on a NSW cup contract and isn't eligible for the warriors top grade side. Which is a point I suspect you are making as well in your post.
If Taine is off the table then we still need to fit all our "guns" in the top 13. Note apostrophes around the word guns because guns in our team may not be guns in the bigger picture.

1 CNK
2 Dallin
3 Vaillea
4 TMM
5 Montoya
6 Metcalf
7 Johnson

TMM can be our Val Holmes at centre. He is 5 foot 11 and 87kgs so not terribly far off the required size scale, Euan Aitken is 1 cm taller and 96 kgs.

I guess more simple would be CNK to centre and TMM to full back. Charnze is 6 foot flat and 96kgs

Just thought that CNKs better defence would be more helpful at fullback. But yes you could go for TMM at fullback
I do think Webster will go the safe route and have CNK and TMM at 1 & 6 I just find that spine to be very boring and lack x factor I've kind of agreed with the theory that you need 3/4 of your spine players to have that "x factor" but what you define as "x factor" is subjective
 
I do think Webster will go the safe route and have CNK and TMM at 1 & 6 I just find that spine to be very boring and lack x factor I've kind of agreed with the theory that you need 3/4 of your spine players to have that "x factor" but what you define as "x factor" is subjective
The compounding problem of TMM and CNK in the spine is that centres will be sub par as a domino effect

1 CNK
2 Dallin
3 Vaillea
4 Montoya
5 Kosi
6 TMM
7 Shaun Johnson

That centre pairing would be pretty vanilla and offer little support offensively to the spine.

Putting either TMM or CNK at centre would double the offensive strike our centres offered this year.

From a glass as half full persepctive. That back line I lifted above is far far more experienced than the whet behind the ears spine and back line we played with this year.

There is a chance, admittedly a small one, but a chance nonetheless, that Shaun Johnson with more competent support from TMM will be harder for defences to zero in on and shut down. And in general the three of them Shaun Johnson/TMM/CNK have all been to grand finals. And that is worth something. They may all somehow go out on some Andrew Webster arranged team building day at the beach and really bond and click.

Go with the above spine but Metcalf to centre? He is 6 foot but only 86kgs
Otherwise we are starting Montoya opening day next year at centre

I don't think Walker is an option as we are thin at forward cover especially when injuries occur.
 
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It's a matter of scale. A normal NRL match is a scale down from Origin so our candidates for centre don't have to be the best players in the world like Latrell and Turbo are.
But we can learn from Origin by playing two fullbacks at Centre like NSW did and Taine and TMM are fullbacks just as much as Turbo and Mitchell are.

My hesitation with putting them at centre is their size. Both Taine and TMM by memory are hovering around 5 foot 10 and 85kgs when soaking wet. Many other centres are a bit bigger and maybe 90kgs.

There are two schools of thought for picking a team
1) Pick the best specialist player for each position
2) Pick the best athletes and force square pegs into round holes if necessary

They definitely do option two at Origin level. I would be keen on us playing our very best backs in our starting 13 and being a run and gun side next year, No point being conservative and finishing 12th,
Option one pick the best specialists works well when you have a wide catchment to pick from like the Kiwis national side.
Lol fucking hell Wrighty you're always a little bit off the wall but I don't think people are saying what they really think...
To some up...

No, no, fucking no lol.

Not even close. Please try again
 
Latrell and Turbo played centre at Origin level and they are not centres.
I am using Walker as a second row / lock in my squad. He will come to Lock and Harris will have a spell at prop at that point is my thinking.
Benji played centre for Souths last year and he is not a centre.
Nice comparison, 2 cup players against top 5 Players worldwide arguably.
 
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The compounding problem of TMM and CNK in the spine is that centres will be sub par as a domino effect

1 CNK
2 Dallin
3 Vaillea
4 Montoya
5 Kosi
6 TMM
7 Shaun Johnson

That centre pairing would be pretty vanilla and offer little support offensively to the spine.

Putting either TMM or CNK at centre would double the offensive strike our centres offered this year.

From a glass as half full persepctive. That back line I lifted above is far far more experienced than the whet behind the ears spine and back line we played with this year.

There is a chance, admittedly a small one, but a chance nonetheless, that Shaun Johnson with more competent support from TMM will be harder for defences to zero in on and shut down. And in general the three of them Shaun Johnson/TMM/CNK have all been to grand finals. And that is worth something. They may all somehow go out on some Andrew Webster arranged team building day at the beach and really bond and click.

Go with the above spine but Metcalf to centre? He is 6 foot but only 86kgs
Otherwise we are starting Montoya opening day next year at centre

I don't think Walker is an option as we are thin at forward cover especially when injuries occur.
Martin would be a turnstile at Centre his only position should be 6.
I’d seriously consider turning Walker back into a Centre, we need that explosive speed/Power out wide something we lack. Vailea’s only 19 and showing great Promise already so he has one spot locked up for me. Other one’s between Charnze and Walker.
 
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that was 5 years ago, Martins a good 6, no way he’s a centre.
I will put it out there that he is better now than what he was then
Certainly his distribution has improved
I was really Anti the Tmm signing as I felt he was neither good nor a bad player… I made about ten posts questioning his acquisition until I studied him closely for Brisbane and in my minds eye he if more mature and composed now. Definitely not a cup player although taine is and upon reading Defenced review of him 30 minutes ago in another thread that he is diminutive and will get bullied I withdraw my suggestion of taine for centre as he is far far too small.
 
Martin would be a turnstile at Centre his only position should be 6.
I’d seriously consider turning Walker back into a Centre, we need that explosive speed/Power out wide something we lack. Vailea’s only 19 and showing great Promise already so he has one spot locked up for me. Other one’s between Charnze and Walker.
If we acquire ice then we will have enough depth in the forwards to play one of Walker or Niukore at centre. Which would be a good outcome
 
  1. Charnze Nicoll-Klokstad - Need a defensive fullback
  2. Dallin Watene-Zelezniak
  3. Viliami Vailea
  4. Marata Niukore - Only at centre if we get Ice
  5. Raymond Tuimalo-Vaega* - Is that his name, was a warriors junior, played for manly and is a gun. Big, dynamic winger that could be a good buy.
  6. Te Maire Martin - Take pressure of Shaun Johnson
  7. Shaun Johnson - Play with freedom
  8. Addin Fonua-Blake
  9. Wayde Egan
  10. Eddie Blacker/Bunty Afoa - Blacker could be brought over by Webster, he’s a former qld u20s prop and his very big. If we don’t pursue him then go with Bunty.
  11. Mitch Barnett
  12. Isaiah Papalii - Fingers crossed
  13. Tohu Harris
  14. Dylan Walker - Not a centre, a middle reserve that will bring some ball playing ability.
  15. Tom Ale
  16. Josh Curran
  17. Luke Metcalf - Him and Dylan Walker could be electric off the bench, bring metcalf on like the cowboys do with the hammer and bring some speed around the ruck.
 
  1. Charnze Nicoll-Klokstad - Need a defensive fullback
  2. Dallin Watene-Zelezniak
  3. Viliami Vailea
  4. Marata Niukore - Only at centre if we get Ice
  5. Raymond Tuimalo-Vaega* - Is that his name, was a warriors junior, played for manly and is a gun. Big, dynamic winger that could be a good buy.
  6. Te Maire Martin - Take pressure of Shaun Johnson
  7. Shaun Johnson - Play with freedom
  8. Addin Fonua-Blake
  9. Wayde Egan
  10. Eddie Blacker/Bunty Afoa - Blacker could be brought over by Webster, he’s a former qld u20s prop and his very big. If we don’t pursue him then go with Bunty.
  11. Mitch Barnett
  12. Isaiah Papalii - Fingers crossed
  13. Tohu Harris
  14. Dylan Walker - Not a centre, a middle reserve that will bring some ball playing ability.
  15. Tom Ale
  16. Josh Curran
  17. Luke Metcalf - Him and Dylan Walker could be electric off the bench, bring metcalf on like the cowboys do with the hammer and bring some speed around the ruck.
Love your team

We currently have 28 signed
( provided jazz has actually signed and taken up his player option)
Blackler and Ice push us to 30
While I would support that the warriors have traditionally kept to 29 to save a spot mid season for a lodge style mid season opportunity
I hope we don’t do that tactic this year as the kepus in particular are hurting our 30 flexibility
 
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  1. Charnze Nicoll-Klokstad - Need a defensive fullback
  2. Dallin Watene-Zelezniak
  3. Viliami Vailea
  4. Marata Niukore - Only at centre if we get Ice
  5. Raymond Tuimalo-Vaega* - Is that his name, was a warriors junior, played for manly and is a gun. Big, dynamic winger that could be a good buy.
  6. Te Maire Martin - Take pressure of Shaun Johnson
  7. Shaun Johnson - Play with freedom
  8. Addin Fonua-Blake
  9. Wayde Egan
  10. Eddie Blacker/Bunty Afoa - Blacker could be brought over by Webster, he’s a former qld u20s prop and his very big. If we don’t pursue him then go with Bunty.
  11. Mitch Barnett
  12. Isaiah Papalii - Fingers crossed
  13. Tohu Harris
  14. Dylan Walker - Not a centre, a middle reserve that will bring some ball playing ability.
  15. Tom Ale
  16. Josh Curran
  17. Luke Metcalf - Him and Dylan Walker could be electric off the bench, bring metcalf on like the cowboys do with the hammer and bring some speed around the ruck.
Gun team, would you have Dallin over Montoya??
 
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