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warriorsLUNATIC_old

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There are some absolutely gutless fans in here.

I saw a thread, not so long ago where a few people decided to criticize another person criticizing the team. As much as that sounds pretty contradictory it also was quite gutless. To say that someone is not a fan or dislikes the Warriors because they criticize I found quite shocking and one person went out of their way to say that their opinions mattered more because he was at the game.

You are gutless that is the truth.

Now there is a guy called Iafeta who visits this forum and has not gone to one Warriors game this year, he only went to a handful of Warriors games last year including Stacey Jones' farewell match Vs the Sea Eagles. He cannot even begin to compare the amount of live game he has seen compared to someone from Auckland. Yet the guy is deadset the best analyzer of the game going around and would beat the pants off me with knowledge on Rugby League and the Warriors. You can feel the passion in the guys posts. You don’t have to go to a game to know about footy or the Warriors. Do not use being at live games as an excuse that you are a better fan than anyone else because I will tell you this sonny you will never be able to compare yourself to the amount of games I have watched live. I started watching the Warriors in 1985, the Warriors of New Zealand Rugby League which developed into our franchise today through the sheer dedication and drive of the Rugby League public and those involved in the grassroots in New Zealand. Look into the eyes of these people involved in that lengthy process if you want to learn about passion. Do not consider yourself a hero because you attended a game.

Now don’t even try to question my loyalty for this club as I am pretty sure DMM, Guten_targ and AliN will tell you how long I have been supporting this club and how passionate I am knowing them from the official forum 5 years ago. But today I feel ashamed being a Warriors supporting knowing there are fans who would act in such a gutless way.

To those who call others less of a fan because you yourself cannot accept criticism. You are gutless. To be a fan you have to have aspects of critcism, support, dedication and enjoyment. Lack one of these aspects and I question you as a fan. To go out of your way to critcize another person for having an critical opinion when you cannot have one yourself is also gutless.

Guten_targ (or Edward who is another loyal and passionate fans I know) and I had many debates, heated ones on the old official forums about the team. We got angry, pissed off and did not want to talk about the Warriors for days after a bad loss. It was because of the passion for the team, the love and desire. That is where criticism comes from not from hate. You who accuse another member of hating a team because he expresses criticism you are not a fan but a gutless and spineless disgrace.

Get over yourselves and prove that you are real fans.
 

Beckah_old

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Awesome post mate, sums up how the forum should be. We all have our own views and thats the way it should be.
 

Warrioraholic_old

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I remember the good old days when we were all posting on the official warriors.co.nz forums, ahhh those were the days.

Dunno about all this PC stuff........
 

Bulldog_old

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...WarriorsLunatic! :shock: :shock:

...now thats a blast from the past! Where have you been boyo?
yeah, kinda missed the old debates...where's GT these days?
 

PHANTOM MENACE_old

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In fairness Lunatic there have been no games in Sydney this season but thats besides the point. In reference to your thread about Mosh getting critisized, i think people need to harden up about things. I think Mosh like myself wants to see the Warriors put in a perfect performance. Whilst they were good enough on saturday and got the 2 points they were not perfect, far from it. Still had handling problems, missed tackles crap goal kicking etc. No doubt people will bag me for saying that but thats what i saw. I was at the game and i could see lazy marker defence and stuff like that. Being a mod i feel i have to watch what i say and i cant really jump in and give it my all like i did in the old forum.

I dont have any time for Mosh but people were jumping down on his back cos he could see room for improvement while most people were thankful we got the win. Sure the win was great however like i said i could see ways we could improve as well as Mosh, and im sure the players and coaches can as well.

We are not gutless Lunatic i just want to see us play to our potential and get that perfect perfomance while others settle for a win achieved by mediocrity
 

Iafeta_old

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WL, good to see you. Certainly those old days were great days, I learnt a hell of a lot from the likes of yourself, Phantom, guten_targ etc from the old warriors.co.nz days. A lot of interesting insight from a wide culture of people, freedom of expression, but in my opinion it was like the old playing days you hear so much of, what stays on the field stays on the field and a beer should be had by all after the game.

Very humbling words mate, I thought I was copping it when I read the first part - "he never goes to games" :D Its not really too easy here these days in Sydney-toun, a lot of the clubs now take their games back to NZ or away, Tigers Christchurch, Dogs have gone to Wellington, Parra to Hamilton, and the Sharkies last year went to Perth. So I think last year that left us with Penrith, Chookies, Rabbitohs, Sea Eagles and Dragons in and around Sydney, got to the Pennies, Chookies and Eagles game, the Dragons game was my wedding night and the Rabbitohs was the Mrs' hen's night, I always go with her.... That said, I'm a bit down about not getting to the Knights game this weekend, got two assignments due so I'm nutting them out as we speak...

Kia Kaha mate, hope life is treating you well, I'd give just about anything to have you, guten_targ etc back in these forums consistently to listen to your learned analysis of the Warriors and league in general. Listening to the passion and honesty you blokes had was the moment I decided I wanted to get a degree, work my way up in the business world, and hopefully one day give something back to the Warriors or New Zealand Rugby League in terms of leadership.
 

JonB_old

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Would love to of been there, with you fella's. It wasn't until I played rugby with older guys and worked with guys older than me that I realised how much you "ould people" actualy know.
(at the moment an old person sits just above 22 to make myself feel better about my aging)
 

Northern_Union

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PHANTOM MENACE said:
In fairness Lunatic there have been no games in Sydney this season but thats besides the point. In reference to your thread about Mosh getting critisized, i think people need to harden up about things. I think Mosh like myself wants to see the Warriors put in a perfect performance. Whilst they were good enough on saturday and got the 2 points they were not perfect, far from it. Still had handling problems, missed tackles crap goal kicking etc. No doubt people will bag me for saying that but thats what i saw. I was at the game and i could see lazy marker defence and stuff like that. Being a mod i feel i have to watch what i say and i cant really jump in and give it my all like i did in the old forum.

I dont have any time for **** but people were jumping down on his back cos he could see room for improvement while most people were thankful we got the win. Sure the win was great however like i said i could see ways we could improve as well as ****, and im sure the players and coaches can as well.

We are not gutless Lunatic i just want to see us play to our potential and get that perfect perfomance while others settle for a win achieved by mediocrity

The reason we jumped up and down about **** was because of the "Retard" comment which was directed at Amerikiwi, for no other reason than he wanted to celebrate a fine win over the defending champs of 05.

I'd be surprised if anyone could question ****'s commitment and passion for our team and also i feel it is very harsh to suggest that we are gutless just for wanting to either defend a friend or celebrate a fine win.
 

Skinner_old

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I think WL, there are two types of posters on this particular board. Those who only want to "Cheer
Lead" - full on, full of the "faith" and "positive thoughts" and don't dare utter a negative word
about "the boys" coz dey are da bomb.

The rest of us (and I'm an occasional poster only)
prefer to talk about the warts and all side of the team from Penrose. When they play like shyte, then
that is what is said - if they happen to go good, then
that's talked as well.

I guess, at the end of the day, not one or the other
group is right or wrong and both have their place.

It makes for interesting discussion.

To rock in and call a particular group "gutless" is
perhaps not called for although many on here would
agree with you.

Harden up and enjoy the board for what it is

Skinner
 

ozbash_old

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:D :D wooohooo,, go looney.

absolutely agree mate, the old forum was a blast until some clown stuffed it up.

totaly agree with your comments re iafeta. the guy is a legend and he is the king of common sense.
we are lucky enough to have the guy post on lu as well as here and i think his opinions have carried so much weight that we have often made them feature articles on the front page of the site attracting literally hundreds of views.. and he can count the number of warriors games hes attended on the fingers of his hands.
one of my main reasons for coming to this forum on a more regular basis is the fact posters like iafeta,pm,dmm etc etc etc post here.
a person can learn a lot about our game just by reading these guys posts.

gutless ? bit harsh imo, i think a few of the younger ones would fall into the niave category. 11 years ago when the boys ran out onto ericsson some of these guys hadnt started school.
that in itself can be a good thing, they see a lot of things through fresh eyes..

so good to see your posts again, hope GT follows you here.

old kiwi aka ozbash.
 

Sinbad_old

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Well well Lunatic haven't heard from you for quite a while. I belonged to the original sit under "The Tipster" handle. Boy we had a few dingdongs in those days !

Good to see you back.

I agree we have two types of posters. Those with their hearts and those with their heads. But we do have room for both.

I like you GT , DMM , PH and a couple of others have been around a long time, never did we give in to a arguement but always gave it our best.

Name acalling has got to stop and lets all focus on the game itself. Welcoms back dude. Long may you post.

Sinbad
aka The Tipster

( and yes "
you did hear it first" here quite a few times in the past)
 

Northern_Union

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Your spot on Skinner, best post i've read in sometime. Well done!
 

AmeriKiwi_old

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Skinner said:
I think WL, there are two types of posters on this particular board. Those who only want to "Cheer
Lead" - full on, full of the "faith" and "positive thoughts" and don't dare utter a negative word
about "the boys" coz dey are da bomb.

The rest of us (and I'm an occasional poster only)
prefer to talk about the warts and all side of the team from Penrose. When they play like shyte, then
that is what is said - if they happen to go good, then
that's talked as well.

I guess, at the end of the day, not one or the other
group is right or wrong and both have their place.

It makes for interesting discussion.

To rock in and call a particular group "gutless" is
perhaps not called for although many on here would
agree with you.

Harden up and enjoy the board for what it is

Skinner

I like the way you described both groups, Skinner... well thought out and well stated, although I wouldn`t agree that those who post "positive thoughts" are necessarily people that "don`t dare" to say anything negative about the team. Some of us simply prefer to remain positive, that`s all... I`d call it sticking with the team through thick and thin, though others might not agree.
Personal attacks and vicious minded name calling usually are uncalled for, though, as you say, as it only leads to verbal retaliaton and is counterproductive for all. Apart from that, I have no problem with those who wish to post their criticisms.
Either way, I agree with you that the 2 types make things interesting.
 

PHANTOM MENACE_old

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RS_Dragon said:
PHANTOM MENACE said:
In fairness Lunatic there have been no games in Sydney this season but thats besides the point. In reference to your thread about Mosh getting critisized, i think people need to harden up about things. I think Mosh like myself wants to see the Warriors put in a perfect performance. Whilst they were good enough on saturday and got the 2 points they were not perfect, far from it. Still had handling problems, missed tackles crap goal kicking etc. No doubt people will bag me for saying that but thats what i saw. I was at the game and i could see lazy marker defence and stuff like that. Being a mod i feel i have to watch what i say and i cant really jump in and give it my all like i did in the old forum.

I dont have any time for **** but people were jumping down on his back cos he could see room for improvement while most people were thankful we got the win. Sure the win was great however like i said i could see ways we could improve as well as ****, and im sure the players and coaches can as well.

We are not gutless Lunatic i just want to see us play to our potential and get that perfect perfomance while others settle for a win achieved by mediocrity

The reason we jumped up and down about **** was because of the "Retard" comment which was directed at Amerikiwi, for no other reason than he wanted to celebrate a fine win over the defending champs of 05.

I'd be surprised if anyone could question ****'s commitment and passion for our team and also i feel it is very harsh to suggest that we are gutless just for wanting to either defend a friend or celebrate a fine win.

I understand that RS.

He did no favours to anyone by stepping over the line.

Personally im a believer in the ol sticks and stones theory myself.
 

Wiki_old

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I think half of that dudes post is directed at me about Mosh.

Yes I fall into the 'positive' group. Why? Because thats the way I like to think about things. Its quite funny because if you have ever belonged to a sports team and walked into a game without a 100% positive mindset, you wont get anywhere.

But don't get me wrong, I love to critique. And I do sometimes. But there is a line and I go far from crossing it. Some people go closer than me and I respect that totally. Some people I believe go further than that. I'm not judging their loyalty for the team, I just think they have a different mindset when it comes to judging a sports team.

So whatever. Call me gutless. I said what I said because I was sick of someones negativity. It wasn't a personal attack and really if they thought it was then aren't they just as bad as me? Can't take a negative view from someone? When you hear negative thoughts 9 times out of 10 it gets boring. I try critique where its due but I also realise its just been Week 3.

If we get to Round 26 and were on -2 points I think I will be far from positive. But I put things into perspective.

So hopefully this is the last post on it all.

I'm sick of talking about it all the time.
 

PHANTOM MENACE_old

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AmeriKiwi said:
Skinner said:
I think WL, there are two types of posters on this particular board. Those who only want to "Cheer
Lead" - full on, full of the "faith" and "positive thoughts" and don't dare utter a negative word
about "the boys" coz dey are da bomb.

The rest of us (and I'm an occasional poster only)
prefer to talk about the warts and all side of the team from Penrose. When they play like shyte, then
that is what is said - if they happen to go good, then
that's talked as well.

I guess, at the end of the day, not one or the other
group is right or wrong and both have their place.

It makes for interesting discussion.

To rock in and call a particular group "gutless" is
perhaps not called for although many on here would
agree with you.

Harden up and enjoy the board for what it is

Skinner

I like the way you described both groups, Skinner... well thought out and well stated, although I wouldn`t agree that those who post "positive thoughts" are necessarily people that "don`t dare" to say anything negative about the team. Some of us simply prefer to remain positive, that`s all... I`d call it sticking with the team through thick and thin, though others might not agree.
Personal attacks and vicious minded name calling usually are uncalled for, though, as you say, as it only leads to verbal retaliaton and is counterproductive for all. Apart from that, I have no problem with those who wish to post their criticisms.
Either way, I agree with you that the 2 types make things interesting.

We have been through thick and thin. 2004 was the hardest year following the team but we all did every week and had our thoughts. After 02 and 03 i just want consistantcey this season
 

AmeriKiwi_old

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I don`t doubt that for one second, P.M., and certainly wasn`t excluding ANY fan here when I wrote that... maybe "hopeless optimist" or "with `em win, lose or draw" would have better conveyed what I was trying to say. Actually, Sinbad said it best... 2 groups, one leads with their heads, the other their hearts, and there`s room for both here.
 
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