General Who Needs To Go?

warriorworkhorse

Who needs to be shown the door at seasons end if they don't fire this year?

Tuimavave,tupou,ikahahifo,Lousi brothers r on there last legs, there salarys combined we could at least get a reni maitua or lama tasi. People that contribute and not fill in. The tigers have koroibete he scored 4trys in a game last year, cowboys have taumalolo he kills it so why are our young guys failing to impress surely you dong need 3years to get up to speed.
 
Gizzyfan

Gizzyfan

Anything like last will more be a case of who will not be facing the chop, and rightly so, if they are not aware that last year was unacceptable we wlll repeat. Is there a toxic element ther, I guess we will find out
 
BA-AD Luck

BA-AD Luck

Big seasons are needed from: Ropati, Tupou, Lousi1 & Lousi2, Mara, Steve Rapira and to a lesser extent Godinet.

They've invested too much into Tuimavave to let him go after only one season, Palavi and Henry will be retained even though they will play the majority of the season in the Vulcans.

Recruitment for 2014:
Matt Scott (Cowboys), Frank Paul and Josh Papalii are all off contract at the end of the year. I would love for us to make a move on one of these three players.
Any one of Jack Reed, Jarrod Croker, Josh Mansour or Kane Linnett would excite me if they were brought over to strengthen our back line creativity.
 
Lord Gnome of Howick MBE

Lord Gnome of Howick MBE

both Lousis, Toupo, Ropati, Rapira Jnr, Mara must all be on borrowed time and need a good season
 

drake83

As of last season play it should be Bill Tupou played well till he got an extension then turned to kaka. Ikahifo because he lacks discipline and gave away some stupid penalties last year. Give the rest a chance I like Steve Rapira brings some mongrel to the pack also I'm keen to wait till Sam Lousi fills out and gets stronger the boy could be an offload machine.
 

Danpatmac

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I would like to see the club get rid of whomever is in charge of the jerseys
 
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Ropati and Sam Rapira if they suffer any major injuries.
Manu, I think enough has been said about this bloke without me needing to hash through that again.
Anyone prop who just hangs around not looking to cart the ball up during a set - I'm looking at Packer here but there were others just as bad this year.
 
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Hitman82

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Who needs to be shown the door at seasons end if they don't fire this year?

Tuimavave,tupou,ikahahifo,Lousi brothers r on there last legs, there salarys combined we could at least get a reni maitua or lama tasi. People that contribute and not fill in. The tigers have koroibete he scored 4trys in a game last year, cowboys have taumalolo he kills it so why are our young guys failing to impress surely you dong need 3years to get up to speed.

Sorry but I disagree with your picks.

Tuimavavae impressed in all his first grade games to date, is young, multi-dimensional and appears very level-headed. I'd be more inclined to offer him a 4 year contract than release him.

Same Ikahahifo - he has barely had a chance, and has looked solid in the gametime he has had to date.

Tupou is safe as long as we have no other quality wingers.

Sione Lousi was one of our few players who showed decent effort in our numerous collapses. He also performed well in an unfamiliar position and in my eyes is a very promising player who is still finding his place in first grade.

Sam Lousi has barely had a chance to show his goods, and is a physical freak. You do not release physical freaks until you are 100% certain they will not develop into anything worthwhile.

A big reason why our young players did not shine as some other clubs' did, is we had a SHIT of a season. The Cowboys finished 5th, the Tigers 10th (equal 9th) and we finished 14th (equal 15th!!). Obviously young players will not perform well in a struggling team, particularly when they are being relied upon to fill unfamiliar positions with short notice and poor preparation, as was often the case in 2012.

Now to who I believe is in danger of being released:

Ben Henry and Elijah Taylor. I like many aspects of both their games, but I feel their qualities are somewhat redundant when we have both Mannering and Lowrie in the team. If Henry and Taylor are happy to play Vulcans while they wait for injuries, then all good. But I do not see a place for all 4 in our team, despite them all being first grade quality.

Steve Rapira. Is he a prop? Is he a second rower? Is he an NRL player? Is he made of glass? Is he a mythical creature, such as a Manticore or Hippogriff? The answer to all these questions is Yes. He needs an injury free season combined with less lateral jersey grabbing efforts on defense in order to prove his worth.

Jerome Ropati. I am a big fan of the 'Ro, but he is one injury away from retirement. A healthy Jerome could potentially regain the form that saw him as first pick centre for the Kiwis a couple of season ago. A broken Jerome will likely bow out into retirement.
 
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warriorworkhorse

I would have to disagree with you I think my picks aren't developing enough to be kept at the club and we could get better guys to fill there spots. For instance ken Sio in his first year was extraordinary in a struggling parra side, why couldn't our young guys do that. Josh mansour was awesome in a poor Penrith side but he shun when he got his chance. I just don't dont see any of the young guns doin so. I agree with ropati and Steve rapira there days could be numbered but it looks like they have a soft spot for Elijah looks as though he could be a future captain.
 
Matulino's Left Shoulder

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Who needs to be shown the door at seasons end if they don't fire this year?

Tuimavave,tupou,ikahahifo,Lousi brothers r on there last legs, there salarys combined we could at least get a reni maitua or lama tasi. People that contribute and not fill in. The tigers have koroibete he scored 4trys in a game last year, cowboys have taumalolo he kills it so why are our young guys failing to impress surely you dong need 3years to get up to speed.


What did Tuimavave do wrong to get released ? except be asked to play half back, 5/8, center, fullback at the drop of a coin.

Ikahihifo and Sam Lousi looked dangerous the 8 minutes Bluey decided to play them

in my opinion Ropati needs to GTFO injured or not injured and not stunt the growth of Hurrell/Peyroux/Fish at fullback.
 
Hitman82

Hitman82

I would have to disagree with you I think my picks aren't developing enough to be kept at the club and we could get better guys to fill there spots. For instance ken Sio in his first year was extraordinary in a struggling parra side, why couldn't our young guys do that. Josh mansour was awesome in a poor Penrith side but he shun when he got his chance. I just don't dont see any of the young guns doin so. I agree with ropati and Steve rapira there days could be numbered but it looks like they have a soft spot for Elijah looks as though he could be a future captain.

Fair enough!

In my opinion the only named players you have semi-valid reasons to cast disdain upon are Sione Lousi and Bill Tupou. Carlos Tuimavavae is a ridiculous pick, and Sam Lousi and Sebastine Ikahihifo are fairly untested.

Ken Sio played 25 first grade games. Josh Mansour played 14.
Carlos Tuimavavae played 5 games, Sebastine Ikahihifo 4, Sam Lousi 2.
i think you should give these guys a chance to develop before saying they aren't developing ;).

Sione Lousi has played 31 games over a 3 season career, with 2012 being his most promising year to date. I think he's seen by most as back-up rather than a starter, and having players like him in the squad is important.

Bill Tupou is a funny one. He's played 47 games over a 3 season career, and has had many flat performances punctuated in either direction with a number of terrible games and a couple of great games.
I find it really hard to decide whether I blame Tupou for the defensive blunders on that flank, or if he is merely a victim of poor structure and teammates' mistakes combined with relative inexperience.
I am totally open to any players being trialled in his jersey, but would retain him until we have 3 or so top quality wingers to deem him surplus to requirements. If he was released in lieu of a quality proven winger, I wouldn't be upset. If we just ditched him flat, I'd be pissed off.

Yeah I don't really expect Henry or Taylor to be let go soon, I just don't see how we can justify keeping both of them long term.
 
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Hitman82

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I'd love to see Ken Sio at our club, and would happily swap Bill Tupou plus a wad of cash for him... but it's not as simple as saying I WANT THIS PLAYER sadly... haha.
 
Miket12

Miket12

I'd love to see Ken Sio at our club, and would happily swap Bill Tupou plus a wad of cash for him... but it's not as simple as saying I WANT THIS PLAYER sadly... haha.

Unless you're the Storm with a corporate tent, boats in the driveway and big screen TV's from Harvey Norman - and an accountant prepared to run two sets of books and contracts ;)
 
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ToiletDuck

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Henry and Taylor will not be let go anytime soon, this club saturates its pants over them.


Agreed, and it's worrying. I wonder how much potential talent those two will keep out of the side this season. It also worries me that the club seems to think they're the players that we'll build our team around for seasons to come.
 
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Danpatmac

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Agreed, and it's worrying. I wonder how much potential talent those two will keep out of the side this season. It also worries me that the club seems to think they're the players that we'll build our team around for seasons to come.

Yeah, they certainly aren't seen by the club the same way as the entire universe sees them... mediocre.
 

warriorworkhorse

If the likes of tuimavave,Lousi,ikahahifo were good enough they would have played more games from the start.
They basically give these guys a go only for them to be very average at best and clearly not up to first grade level.
The Aussie teams breed these young guys and when they come into first grade they slot straight in and don't look outta place unlike the warriors young guns.
Taumalolo-runs over the top of people why can't Lousi do that he's much bigger.
Ken Sio-regular 1st grader now, taken tupou 3 years.
Boyd cordner- powerhouse for the roosters, ikahahifo is far from that.
Tuivasa-sheck-glimpses of brilliance in his limited time, tuimavave has zero flair or urgency.

Why does it take the younger guys longer to make a stand in the nrl then the boys coming through for the Aussie teams?
 
Blain

Blain

I see what you're saying about most those players Warriorworkhorse, but I don't know how much of Tuimavave you've seen. If you can recall the games he played for us later in the season, he was our only positive in most those games. I think he let through a try in his first game, but other than that impressed all with his attack.

Just because someone hasn't had many oppurtunities, doesn't make them no hopers. Especially when we already have such a young squad.
 
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If the likes of tuimavave,Lousi,ikahahifo were good enough they would have played more games from the start.
They basically give these guys a go only for them to be very average at best and clearly not up to first grade level.
The Aussie teams breed these young guys and when they come into first grade they slot straight in and don't look outta place unlike the warriors young guns.
Taumalolo-runs over the top of people why can't Lousi do that he's much bigger.
Ken Sio-regular 1st grader now, taken tupou 3 years.
Boyd cordner- powerhouse for the roosters, ikahahifo is far from that.
Tuivasa-sheck-glimpses of brilliance in his limited time, tuimavave has zero flair or urgency.

Why does it take the younger guys longer to make a stand in the nrl then the boys coming through for the Aussie teams?

The reason the Oz teams have good youngsters is they don't have a love affair with the Under 20's comp. Anyone half decent gets pushed to reserve grade
 
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