General Who is responsible?

Who should take ownership of our results?


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BeastMode

Warriors 1st Grader
Mar 7, 2015
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People say players have to take ownership of their performance. If the teams loses, its the players not doing their job. Don’t blame the coach. Is that a flair ?

Who is MOSTLY responsible for our performance - the players, coach, club, owners or fans?!

Polled.
 
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gREVUS

Long live the Rainbows and Butterflies
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May 8, 2012
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i dont think your poll works, i tried to click players, and coach, and ceo, and club
i dunno why you think fans are responsible, but its also missing media.

aside from fans its all of the above, win or lose.
 

zaggo

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Jul 19, 2016
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Surely it has to be all of the above, with the probable exception of the fans.

If players don't put in the extras and don't look to develop their game, they are to blame.
But - if players aren't put in a position where they can play to their optimal ability, then the coach is to blame.
But - if the coach isn't given the right players, training staff, facilities and support, then the club/CEO is to blame.

All parts need to be in harmony for the club to be successful. I think there's a tendency for people to assume it's either useless players or a useless coach, when really it might be both or neither.
 

BeastMode

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Mar 7, 2015
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i dont think your poll works, i tried to click players, and coach, and ceo, and club
i dunno why you think fans are responsible, but its also missing media.

aside from fans its all of the above, win or lose.

To choose everyone is a cop out answer. It’s like sitting on the fence. Someone has to take accountability and ownership of this mess.

It can’t be everyone.

You can’t fire everyone.
 
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FAN

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Mar 17, 2014
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To choose everyone is a cop out answer. It’s like sitting on the fence. Someone has to take accountability and ownership of this mess.

It can’t be everyone.

You can’t fire everyone.
I think that is our problem. We all look to hand one person out to dry, yet its a collective, if a team mate drops the ball, everyone screens run a mile!! IMO, if your team mate drops a ball at training, you ALL run the mile with him, or do the 50 push ups with him.
Each and every person in this club should be held responsible for their brothers and sisters.
Take Ricky Stewart, sits in the pissing rain on the side line, with HIS team.
We need to STOP pointing the finger at just one or two problems, it's the entire club that needs to stand together and be held accountable.
Including at times, us FANS.
 

matiunz

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Jul 15, 2013
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It’s a bit of a combination of factors,
- Relatively speaking the clubs in a pretty good position on the business side, not convinced with Cameron George though, the handling of the SJ saga was pretty poor.
- Club has a culture/mental strength problem, it could be a location issue but an issue it remains with no easy answer. Looked like we made inroads last season but same old again this year.
-Coach while appears to have the best of intentions hasn’t been able to have sustained success, problem is his stubbornness with his process with little evidence of adaptability and a Plan B. Support staff in terms of trainers and recruiters seeeem solid but I’m not sure how much he is getting from his assistants- our attack is appalling.
Fans- I don’t think we have any direct responsibility but with the team being a 1 city/country club there’s little competition for fans which can leave the club complacent. As a rule Warriors fans are pretty loyal and have really been put through the wringer over the years, I do wonder if that support has been taken for granted as the fans can be too forgiving at times with the “not real fans” bullshit if the team is called out. I’ve seen a real shift with long term fans really being tested and being pushed to their limit in recent years- I know I have
 

HoRneT041

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Dec 4, 2018
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It’s a bit of a combination of factors,
- Relatively speaking the clubs in a pretty good position on the business side, not convinced with Cameron George though, the handling of the SJ saga was pretty poor.
- Club has a culture/mental strength problem, it could be a location issue but an issue it remains with no easy answer. Looked like we made inroads last season but same old again this year.
-Coach while appears to have the best of intentions hasn’t been able to have sustained success, problem is his stubbornness with his process with little evidence of adaptability and a Plan B. Support staff in terms of trainers and recruiters seeeem solid but I’m not sure how much he is getting from his assistants- our attack is appalling.
Fans- I don’t think we have any direct responsibility but with the team being a 1 city/country club there’s little competition for fans which can leave the club complacent. As a rule Warriors fans are pretty loyal and have really been put through the wringer over the years, I do wonder if that support has been taken for granted as the fans can be too forgiving at times with the “not real fans” bullshit if the team is called out. I’ve seen a real shift with long term fans really being tested and being pushed to their limit in recent years- I know I have

I agree SK does have best intentions as head coach but clueless when comes to adapting to different game styles and especially closing out games against smarter opposition. He definitely needs help in that area - a clean out with his current assistants perhaps? (tho execution still comes down to players themselves). Would like to see some smart aussies coming in. Shit if we were going to blow close to a mill on Lodge that money would be better spent on experienced legends maybe on a permanent role. Smith, Slatter, Gasnier, Lockyer.. take ur pick we need them!
 

Off The Bench

Warriors 1st Grader
Jan 26, 2014
3,056
To choose everyone is a cop out answer. It’s like sitting on the fence. Someone has to take accountability and ownership of this mess.

It can’t be everyone.

You can’t fire everyone.
I think that's almost what we need.
if it was a commercial exporting industrial business
the shareholders would be getting rid of everyone from the floor on up
under the name of restructuring .Or relocating to china .

I think we need to set new standards an expectations in player preparedness
we need capable on field leadership an specialised training for this area
I think our boys also need a manager with personalised performance feedback an
effective help to remedy any shortfalling.
we also need to establish a environment /culture where on field communication is
consistant an listened to .
until we have leadership an people willing to follow an add input we don't have a team
 

BeastMode

Warriors 1st Grader
Mar 7, 2015
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I think that's almost what we need.
if it was a commercial exporting industrial business
the shareholders would be getting rid of everyone from the floor on up
under the name of restructuring .Or relocating to china .

I think we need to set new standards an expectations in player preparedness
we need capable on field leadership an specialised training for this area
I think our boys also need a manager with personalised performance feedback an
effective help to remedy any shortfalling.
we also need to establish a environment /culture where on field communication is
consistant an listened to .
until we have leadership an people willing to follow an add input we don't have a team

Yeah good answer.

If this was a company you’d be firing the ceo and his directs.

For us that’s the ceo and coach.

It’s then up to the coach to decide if he wants to fire the players.

So, the people most responsible for the diabolical state we are in now is the....

CEO and the COACH.

I agree.
 
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kos

1st Grade Fringe
Mar 16, 2013
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Does the club have a regular communication direct to members. I left Akld in 2007 for the Gc but was a member 95/06.
My second club is the gc titans and as a club member/season ticket holder I get an e mail every monday titled Mal on Monday from Mal Meninga. He comments on the titans last game and what went right and what went wrong. If no game last Monday he provided info on what the Titans are doing development wise. It soothes troubled waters and keeps you as a supporter informed. Does the Warriors do the same thing? If not maybe they should start!
 

matiunz

All Out!
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Jul 15, 2013
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Sydney
Does the club have a regular communication direct to members. I left Akld in 2007 for the Gc but was a member 95/06.
My second club is the gc titans and as a club member/season ticket holder I get an e mail every monday titled Mal on Monday from Mal Meninga. He comments on the titans last game and what went right and what went wrong. If no game last Monday he provided info on what the Titans are doing development wise. It soothes troubled waters and keeps you as a supporter informed. Does the Warriors do the same thing? If not maybe they should start!
Nope, we get news about 10mins before everyone else and maybe deals on merch- oh and weird surveys about religion and being environmentally conscious with “do you hate Kearney” subliminally thrown in the middle
 

Off The Bench

Warriors 1st Grader
Jan 26, 2014
3,056
Yeah good answer.

If this was a company you’d be firing the ceo and his directs.

For us that’s the ceo and coach.

It’s then up to the coach to decide if he wants to fire the players.

So, the people most responsible for the diabolical state we are in now is the....

CEO and the COACH.

I agree.
Not quite Beasty
I know almost nothing about CEO an upper management .
But I do have some knowledge about floor staff an their support systems
So these are the systems I would impliment .Given what I have observed
With the warriors. Watching the games you can see the critical moments
When the lips drop an heads go down .an the players start deviating from the game plan or making mistakes
This would be what I would make a priority to address .An I believe it all comes down to leadership an communication .An you can't lead or communicate if the team won't listen .So emphasis had to be given to this area .
Somethings are hard to hear an players need to take it on board an move on
This requires a certain skill set that can be taught or a certain type of player
That can be identified an recruited.Instead of just the most physicall
An talented players.
So I was mainly talking about the team on the field an the Captain an the
Trainers an coaching staff .an recruiter s,Who seem to have neglected this area of the game.
 

mrblonde

Warriors 1st Grader
Apr 14, 2012
3,570
Auckland
We could also look to blame the NZRL, the ARL etc and of course The Great Satan Rugby Union for not allowing/working hard enough to let rugby league to really flourish at lower levels so when local players come to the Warriors they're not as polished at the basics as they should be.

If I had to pick one, I'd say the players own the results most of all. I still maintain it's a distinct possibility that Craig Bellamy and Wayne Bennett could come here in a Super Duper Coaching Coup and quit after two seasons: "Taint nothing we can do with poor, simple fools!"
 

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