Internationals When do you no longer consider a player a NZer and don't mind them playing for AUS etc?

[hotdogRL]

when it comes to NZ born players that moved to Australia at a young age, what is the cut off age that you think players should play for NZ and when do you think its acceptable to play for AUS or another country?

 

[jonno]

I no longer consider a human to be a kiwi the minute they pull on an Aussie jumper. When that happens I also no longer consider them to be a human...

 

[Jay M]

for me it depends... there needs to be two rules, one for category "A" teams, one for category "B" teams... shouldn't play for Aus or England until they are citizens and haven't played for NZ.

I don't mind NZ eligible players playing for Samoa/Tonga etc etc etc if it helps their game grow. I would actually be pro players playing for both NZ and Samoa for example... i.e. if you don't make the NZ or Aus squad, you become eligible for your secondary nation... without changing allegiances etc.

 

[matiunz]

Comes down to personal choice for me and where the player identifies with, if theres a kid who was born to kiwi parent but grew up in aus I can understand reasons for playing for either country. Say a 16 year old moving to Aus after spending his life in NZ then choosing to play for Aus is what I cant understand but thats just my opinion as I could never call myself anything but a nz'er

 

[jonno]

After the last four nations I'd consider any Kiwi who defected across the Tasman as more of a Muppet than an Aussie...

 

[gREVUS]

After the last four nations I'd consider any Kiwi who defected across the Tasman as more of a Muppet than an Aussie...

you can call me Kermit

 

[jonno]

you can call me Kermit

You didn't defect tho. You're still a Kiwi living in a strange land.

But if I had to muppetize you I'd liken you to a different muppet...

 

[snake77]

Comes down to personal choice for me and where the player identifies with, if theres a kid who was born to kiwi parent but grew up in aus I can understand reasons for playing for either country. Say a 16 year old moving to Aus after spending his life in NZ then choosing to play for Aus is what I cant understand but thats just my opinion as I could never call myself anything but a nz'er

I look at it a similar way some families will move to Australia and still consider themselves New Zealanders; other families will move over and integrate with the Australian culture more and consider themselves Australians. I had this opinion since the Karmichael Hunt was selected and McClennan threw out the line "He's a New Zealander he moved over here when he was 11". There wasn't an age rule at the time so what makes him being 11 mean he feels he's a Kiwi? for all we know his outlook on life could have changed once he'd moved over there and he picked up a lot more friends and his sporting life may have taken off once he started school over there. I could understand 20 year old who moved over halfway through his childhood to consider himself an Australian or still having an affinity still for New Zealand.




For our sport to be taken seriously we do need guidelines; we already get enough negative press about our representative criteria. If we leave it to individuals we end up with some players chasing where the money is or the easier opportunity.

Where players are born is one way but it doesn't cover families migrating to other countries.

If we used an age criteria I'd be happy with around 13-16. We want to stop the players who are recruited at a young age to move to another country specifically for their football playing for the adopted country. Any rule we have will upset in some instances but you can't please everyone.

What's the current rule the Australians made for Origin selection. 13?
Let's stick with this until it no longer suits the Australians. Most likely when we beat them with a star player or two who could have been in their side, or useful for the state that just lost an Origin series.

 

[Jordan G]

When a player says "I always dreamed of playing for Australia."

Unfortunately that never happens as it's always "I want to play Origin"

 

[¿N. ig-mah¿]

You didn't defect tho. You're still a Kiwi living in a strange land.

But if I had to muppetize you I'd liken you to a different muppet...

Sorry, you can't use these two. Someone already accused me of being one of them.

 

[Gizzyfan]

This whole question is brought about by State of Origin players only being eligible for Australia. Both States have been guilty of stretching eligibility to gain advantage. To me it is simple. If you are born in NSW or Queensland you are eligible for Australia. If you are born in NZ and are eligible for either State, you should be able to choose international allegiance.

State of Origin is an internal Aussie thing. Once they let guys like Tamou play they opened a can of worms which they paper over withe the sole Australian eligibility. However with the depth of feeling between the States (more correctly the hatred against NSW by all Aussie States) things arent going to change.

 

[Gizzyfan]

This whole question is brought about by State of Origin players only being eligible for Australia. Both States have been guilty of stretching eligibility to gain advantage. To me it is simple. If you are born in NSW or Queensland you are eligible for Australia. If you are born in NZ and are eligible for either State, you should be able to choose international allegiance.

State of Origin is an internal Aussie thing. Once they let guys like Tamou play they opened a can of worms which they paper over withe the sole Australian eligibility. However with the depth of feeling between the States (more correctly the hatred against NSW by all Aussie States) things arent going to change.

 

[kiwi's 13-6]

its an interesting topic as of 2001 for New Zealand citizens living in Australia it takes 10 years of continuously living in Australia for you to be able to qualify to receive any government support if you require it not just the dole im talking about but also support for work place injuries, parents with disabled children etc, same for voting in elections as well i believe,

a lot of kiwi's (im rapidly becoming a tuatara of the maui dolphin variety definitely not a weta and if you call me a sheep shagger ill tell you the only sheep i shagged is the reason for the white sauce in an Ozzies lamb Kebab but im getting cheeky like a kea) dont realise that moving to OZ since 2001 youre basically a guest worker and on your own with little to no government support available, most ozzies still think that we can just walk of the plane and rock up to centrelink / WINZ and get the dole in Australia i think that might have been the case in the 1980's were you could after 6 months and in the 90's got changed to 2 years most kiwi's who lived there never did that anyway, When in fact since 2001 the opposite is true we can do little more than work and pay tax in Oz, no vote, no government coverage for work place accidents and no path to citizenship, if you want to study no student loans coverage got to pay up front and totally support yourself while doing so...

then theres who you want to play sport for and who wants you to play sport for them but it a bit riducolous if your representing a country your not a citizen of and cant even vote in elections just a perment resident for tax purposes... the only path to full permanent residency is to marry an australian citizen or have a skill thats highly sought after like being a doctor and even then if you qualify you have to pay a lot of money several thousand dollars i believe for your permanent residency

 

[Timothy]

I think the current rules are fine 'you had to be there prior to being 13'. This rule is going to be so good for NZ going forward as so many of the good u20s players are those from NZ highschools and will not be available for origin or Oz.

 

[jonno]

I think the current rules are fine 'you had to be there prior to being 13'. This rule is going to be so good for NZ going forward as so many of the good u20s players are those from NZ highschools and will not be available for origin or Oz.

Winning the four nations will help with that as well, as our juniors are now all seeing the Kiwis as a good goal to aspire to.... We just need more players like Taumalolo standing up, turning down the mid week smash fest that is origin, and being proud to be a kiwi...

 

[Vancent]

Born in Welly, lived a few years in AKL, moved to Oz with parents at 11. I'm now 41 and never had a soft spot for Kangaroos, Wallabies or any of them.

My heart skips beats and my skins gets bumps for the Warriors, Kiwis and All Blacks. My head didn't get a chance to choose, the heart had that sorted out long ago...

 

[Jah]

When a player says "I always dreamed of playing for Australia."

Unfortunately that never happens as it's always "I want to play Origin"

Dont u mean I want the 50,000 they pay me to play origin lol

 

[hotdogRL]

Dont u mean I want the 50,000 they pay me to play origin lol

that's a lot for one game... how much do the players get for a international game?

 

[¿N. ig-mah¿]

that's a lot for one game... how much do the players get for a international game?

Paul Gallen said he missed out on $320K for missing his 4 4Nations games. I guess that means $80,000 a game, but I don't know if senior players get more than new players.

 

[Weno]

Born in Welly, lived a few years in AKL, moved to Oz with parents at 11. I'm now 41 and never had a soft spot for Kangaroos, Wallabies or any of them.

My heart skips beats and my skins gets bumps for the Warriors, Kiwis and All Blacks. My head didn't get a chance to choose, the heart had that sorted out long ago...

Much RESPECT.
True Kiwi.