when it comes to NZ born players that moved to Australia at a young age, what is the cut off age that you think players should play for NZ and when do you think its acceptable to play for AUS or another country?
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After the last four nations I'd consider any Kiwi who defected across the Tasman as more of a Muppet than an Aussie...
You didn't defect tho. You're still a Kiwi living in a strange land.you can call me Kermit
I look at it a similar way some families will move to Australia and still consider themselves New Zealanders; other families will move over and integrate with the Australian culture more and consider themselves Australians. I had this opinion since the Karmichael Hunt was selected and McClennan threw out the line "He's a New Zealander he moved over here when he was 11". There wasn't an age rule at the time so what makes him being 11 mean he feels he's a Kiwi? for all we know his outlook on life could have changed once he'd moved over there and he picked up a lot more friends and his sporting life may have taken off once he started school over there. I could understand 20 year old who moved over halfway through his childhood to consider himself an Australian or still having an affinity still for New Zealand.Comes down to personal choice for me and where the player identifies with, if theres a kid who was born to kiwi parent but grew up in aus I can understand reasons for playing for either country. Say a 16 year old moving to Aus after spending his life in NZ then choosing to play for Aus is what I cant understand but thats just my opinion as I could never call myself anything but a nz'er
Sorry, you can't use these two. Someone already accused me of being one of them.You didn't defect tho. You're still a Kiwi living in a strange land.
But if I had to muppetize you I'd liken you to a different muppet...
This whole question is brought about by State of Origin players only being eligible for Australia. Both States have been guilty of stretching eligibility to gain advantage. To me it is simple. If you are born in NSW or Queensland you are eligible for Australia. If you are born in NZ and are eligible for either State, you should be able to choose international allegiance.
State of Origin is an internal Aussie thing. Once they let guys like Tamou play they opened a can of worms which they paper over withe the sole Australian eligibility. However with the depth of feeling between the States (more correctly the hatred against NSW by all Aussie States) things arent going to change.
Winning the four nations will help with that as well, as our juniors are now all seeing the Kiwis as a good goal to aspire to.... We just need more players like Taumalolo standing up, turning down the mid week smash fest that is origin, and being proud to be a kiwi...I think the current rules are fine 'you had to be there prior to being 13'. This rule is going to be so good for NZ going forward as so many of the good u20s players are those from NZ highschools and will not be available for origin or Oz.
When a player says "I always dreamed of playing for Australia."
Unfortunately that never happens as it's always "I want to play Origin"
Dont u mean I want the 50,000 they pay me to play origin lol
Paul Gallen said he missed out on $320K for missing his 4 4Nations games. I guess that means $80,000 a game, but I don't know if senior players get more than new players.that's a lot for one game... how much do the players get for a international game?
Much RESPECT.Born in Welly, lived a few years in AKL, moved to Oz with parents at 11. I'm now 41 and never had a soft spot for Kangaroos, Wallabies or any of them.
My heart skips beats and my skins gets bumps for the Warriors, Kiwis and All Blacks. My head didn't get a chance to choose, the heart had that sorted out long ago...
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