Not reading any more of your posts thenI was never really a competitive sort of person.
Playing rugby league is not for fun, it is a professional game right back to its roots in the north of England. To win at rugby league saved you from going back down the coal mines. Sure in NZ it was played as a sport but the ethic was still the same, you play to win, you want fun, play tiddly winks.I reckon you either born with it or your not. Much happier to just have fun.
Try Michael Luck, nobody had heard of him until he came over here and did all the tackling with Simon Mannering.When I think of genuine competitors you are looking at the usual suspects. Johnathan Thurston, James Graham, Sam Burgess, Cameron Smith, Billy Slater etc. Players that absolutely loathe losing.
Sure you have to be polite and acknowledge the winner, he deserves it. To be smiling like that means you haven't put enough effort in. You shouldn't have the energy to laughing like it is tea break at Mathew and Son. If you have that energy left after the game it shows why you lost, because you didn't really want to win...not really. Would those guys have bee smiling if they had been given the death sentence, losing a league game should be the same feeling.I don't mind players mingling after games. Most have come through the systems together and know each other well. There's nothing you can do after the final whistle has gone. Not a good look after a heavy loss and the club and players soon found that out after the record loss to the Panthers in 2013. To be smiling and joking after a 62-6 thrashing is a hard pill for fans to swallow.
Playing rugby league is not for fun
Bruce is like me, in that he comes from an individualist world. You're not allowed to just go along with whatever the clever guy says. You have to come up with your own thoughts and ideas about everything. And you have to provide everything for yourself financially as well. You live in a society, but you stand alone as yourself.
Really? Surely the reason you play or continue to do so as a kid is cause it's fun. Even those playing Masters must enjoy it even if its just for the comradery and beers after the game. Can't be just dad kicking your ass out the door for training and games as he tries to live vicariously.
Your view on its participation cant really be that bleak? You make it sound like conscription lol...
Thats sounds amazing but havent you been in the same dead end job for shit pay for 20 years???Bruce is like me, in that he comes from an individualist world. You're not allowed to just go along with whatever the clever guy says. You have to come up with your own thoughts and ideas about everything. And you have to provide everything for yourself financially as well. You live in a society, but you stand alone as yourself.
I am dead bloody serious. Go into a tackle half hearted and you have a missed tackle. Geez how many Warriors think like you Welly? This is depressing me badly.
If you're playing for fun that's great. Just don't expect to pack a stadium full of paying fans if that's the case.Some of my best memories of playing were in losses. That has nothing to do with the will to win. It might be a good team performance that came up short, or individual moments.
Sport essentially is getting out there with your mates. It seems to me over a lot of sports a disrespect towards the opposition has come to the fore. Surely any result is measured against the quality of opposition.
If you're playing for fun that's great. Just don't expect to pack a stadium full of paying fans if that's the case.
What enjoyment do the spectators get if the players are just out to chuck the ball around and have a laugh?
Its an interesting debate. I always played to win. Sure it was fun to play with mates but i always wanted to be on the victorious side. I found being on the winning side more important than just playing. Looking back 20 years on i cannot recall any scorelines, just personal achievements within games and times when we beat more teams with better/bigger players. Those were special.
Also been on school teams which sucked ass. Cannot recall it much other than it was depressing times knowing we hardly ever won or were competitive.
IMO the definition of being a professional athlete is someone who gets paid to win. Having fun whilst doing so shouldnt come into it. They are employed to do a job. If they put having fun above fulfilling their obligations to their employer they should seek a career change.
That was pretty shithouse that squirrel grip but Surgess' effort against the Dogs in the 2014 Grand Final will always be his finest moment. Breaking his face in the first five minutes, saying in the halftime interlude that he was 'fooked' and crying when he knew he had achieved his dream will go down in folklore as the defining moment of that season.Sam Burgess getting busted for a squirrel grip a few years back is a classic example of shaming yourself for victory.
Graham Lowe said that only allowed you to turn up to the game.My definition is a professional is paid to train and prepare. It is a mindset, really being paid means more time to prepare.