General Warriors positive in defeat

Skinny_Ravs82

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From SMH...
THE Wests Tigers may have timed it like a late-charging racehorse last season, but for the Warriors to surmount their minus-four start and still be realistic contenders for this year's premiership would be the equivalent of Phar Lap rising from the grave and winning the Melbourne Cup.

Yet despite this sluggish opening-round defeat by Melbourne, there was a strangely positive air at Ericsson Stadium yesterday as captain Steve Price talked about the performance being 80 per cent right and new coach Ivan Cleary relaxed and untroubled that his side was already six points off the pace.

Former Kiwis coach Graham Lowe has tipped the Warriors to be potential premiers, and their debutant Grant Rovelli, after his first taste of the NRL, was prepared to make an equally bold prediction.

"Once we get off the mark, we'll be hard to stop," said Rovelli, a 22-year-old halfback who overcame a five-year wait for first grade at the Roosters by being easily the Warriors' best player yesterday. "When we get our game together and a bit of confidence, we will be unstoppable towards the end of the season.

"Look at the Wests Tigers' success last year. They started off poorly and built their game throughout the season and at the end of the year they had that roll, that snowball effect."

Perhaps, for the Warriors, the sunny mood was because the start of the season meant they finally had an excuse to ignore an uneasy month of media attention in New Zealand, where the club's latest off-field failings have happily been pounced upon.

A salary cap issue the club hoped to contain by their new "transparency" policy has now mutated so far that the current debate is on what the future might hold for their out-of-the-country millionaire owner Eric Watson.

Watson didn't miss much in a stodgy first half on which Price admitted his side was doing well to trail only 8-0. It was lit up only by a neat solo try from the emerging Greg Inglis, who collected a stray pass from a scrum, twice fended off Tony Martin, then rounded Brent Webb comfortably on the outside.

The Storm's only other coherent attack brought a second try from Matt Geyer and a realisation that the Warriors' weak right flank was a fertile hunting ground.

The Warriors started the second half with two tries in a three-minute spell which suggested things will get better. Converted second-rower Sione Faumuina will be one of the NRL's biggest five-eighths, and the highlight of his mixed start to his new career was an inside pass to Jerome Ropati that led to a try.

Wairangi Koopu gave the Warriors a briefly held 10-8 lead, but the Storm were back in front when Faumuina committed a second high tackle, both of which could earn him a suspension, to set the field position for a close-range score by hooker Cameron Smith.

That was immediately followed by a sweeping move, heavily featuring Inglis and provided Geyer with his second try, and the 19-year-old centre already looks a real Origin prospect.

Storm coach Craig Bellamy was happy to praise Inglis's efforts afterwards, and Billy Slater - who went through a similar star-building process two years ago - says he won't be affected by the attention.

He said: "He's got a lot of talent and a lot of confidence, but he's not at all cocky. Greggy doesn't get too much attention in Melbourne, it's not the same as Benji Marshall gets in Sydney and we get pulled into line by guys like Matt Geyer, anyway."

The other Melburnians to earn attention were the front-row trio of Brett White, Garret Crossman and Antonio Kaufusi who had only 66 first-grade games between them.

The Warriors have not won in New Zealand outside Auckland. With games in Hamilton, against Parramatta, and Christchurch, against the Tigers, coming next, they know they have to alter that record for this season to mean anything.

Cleary, however, remained as sunny as the Auckland skies. He said: "I'm not going to worry about the minus four.

"We don't judge success on the first round. What we're doing well will last a long time and the errors are a short-term thing that will improve."

MATCH FOCUS

THEY SAID WHAT?

"I rated him very highly after that first try, but when he bombed the last one he wasn't as high." Smiling Storm coach Craig Bellamy gives Greg Inglis a gentle gee-up.

BONE CRUNCHER

Youth overcame experience as Antonio Kaufusi (19 games) produced a bell-ringer on Steve Price (239) to set up Steve Turner's winner and make it an unhappy 32nd birthday for the Warriors skipper.
 

warriors4life_old

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When you hear playes speak like that you know that because they are so close to the team that they know what they are talking about. I hope for the Warrior's sake that he is right.
 

sebastian_old

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Thats a very releiving article to read after a loss. The telegraph had nothing on the warriors except a 3 sentence opional phrase that was damn negative.
 

Skinny_Ravs82

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The players and coaching stuff must know something we don't and quite frankly I'm dying to know what that is! lol

We didn't get too much about the game over here in Melb, bar a small article..which just focued on the Storm (you expect nothing less here)

It's very interesting indeed what Ravs has said and it's got me thinking a bit. He's been there...what? three months and man he sounds like he knows exactly what is happening. Smart on and off the field it seems.
 

Iafeta_old

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I'm surprised. I thought the players would have come out and said its over, its over, lets get on the p!ss early.

What did we expect them to say?
 

Skinny_Ravs82

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I'd expect they'd be level-headed and smart. It's only game one yes, they lost that's the crap part but they aren't going to just stick and mope about it now are they? Get over it and get on with it amd stay positive no point whinging ala Ricky Stuart.

Btw heard an aftermatch radio interview with Fien and Smith (didn't hang around for Smith's opinion. But for Fien..haha said the F-word!!)
 

Iafeta_old

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Take what players say at face value. Its all about possible PR, players are schooled in it. Its very rare they'll come out and tell it how it really is - I mean, I doubt the boys were completely thrilled the last couple of weeks, or totally focussed, but according to Warriors PR releases they were. Thats BS, they're people like us, and I can safely say it had some effect on my outlook on where they could finish.
 

JonB_old

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I think grant is right. Once they learn how to win and find the identity of themselves as a team I think the warriors could be hard to stop.
 

Skinny_Ravs82

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Iafeta said:
Take what players say at face value. Its all about possible PR, players are schooled in it. Its very rare they'll come out and tell it how it really is - I mean, I doubt the boys were completely thrilled the last couple of weeks, or totally focussed, but according to Warriors PR releases they were. Thats BS, they're people like us, and I can safely say it had some effect on my outlook on where they could finish.

Yes you have to take some things at face value I'd agree. But we can't just assume it's all PR related just because you think it looks good. I think what he said is refreshing and different.
 

Ronnie_7_old

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Iafeta said:
Take what players say at face value. Its all about possible PR, players are schooled in it. Its very rare they'll come out and tell it how it really is - I mean, I doubt the boys were completely thrilled the last couple of weeks, or totally focussed, but according to Warriors PR releases they were. Thats BS, they're people like us, and I can safely say it had some effect on my outlook on where they could finish.

Haha Wiki did in the Mad butchers lounge after the game on Sunday.
 

Iafeta_old

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Skinny_Ravs82 said:
Iafeta said:
Take what players say at face value. Its all about possible PR, players are schooled in it. Its very rare they'll come out and tell it how it really is - I mean, I doubt the boys were completely thrilled the last couple of weeks, or totally focussed, but according to Warriors PR releases they were. Thats BS, they're people like us, and I can safely say it had some effect on my outlook on where they could finish.

Yes you have to take some things at face value I'd agree. But we can't just assume it's all PR related just because you think it looks good. I think what he said is refreshing and different.

My perspective on this is based from previous experience in the sports media.

You are continually fuelled the sporting cliches`, its very hard to get a true indication of a sporting team's attitude on or off the field. Its bad marketing principals to let up during a bad time, IE you don't let on you don't think you're going to win or do very well because it reverberates into the community and gives people one more reason not to pay through the gates.

Of course they'll have belief to a degree, but there was a study a while ago that showed about 20% of players by now in this situation will think - whats the point, the seasons over. Those sorts of thoughts have ran through my head sparodically, and I regard myself as a loyal, parochial, passionate and optimistic fan of the Warriors, I'd hate to be confronted with the situation they face day after day after, organisational culture pressures suggest it has to have some impact even on the strongest of minds.
 

Skinny_Ravs82

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Of course I agree with you mate, everyone at some stage gets affected by something negative it's human nature. But what I'm trying to say alternatively to that, as mentioned before; what is the big deal with letting it get to you. So what if they think and feel the season's over? Life's tough and you just got to forget and move on.

That's my intake of it. They want to look positive instead of sitting there thinking
"Ok we lost, and it's not like we will get anywhere this year anyway" I don't believe in that sort of outlook no matter the circumstance.

You take what comes to you like or not. And if the media want to add an extra aura to that then so be it but PR or not things are said and done which will never be reversable. So if they are happy to be positive regardless of what the PR says then good on them
 

andytones_old

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Iafeta said:
Take what players say at face value. Its all about possible PR, players are schooled in it. Its very rare they'll come out and tell it how it really is - I mean, I doubt the boys were completely thrilled the last couple of weeks, or totally focussed, but according to Warriors PR releases they were. Thats BS, they're people like us, and I can safely say it had some effect on my outlook on where they could finish.

I TOTTALY AGREE WITH ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID THAN
 

Iafeta_old

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Skinny_Ravs82 said:
Of course I agree with you mate, everyone at some stage gets affected by something negative it's human nature. But what I'm trying to say alternatively to that, as mentioned before; what is the big deal with letting it get to you. So what if they think and feel the season's over? Life's tough and you just got to forget and move on.

That's my intake of it. They want to look positive instead of sitting there thinking
"Ok we lost, and it's not like we will get anywhere this year anyway" I don't believe in that sort of outlook no matter the circumstance.

You take what comes to you like or not. And if the media want to add an extra aura to that then so be it but PR or not things are said and done which will never be reversable. So if they are happy to be positive regardless of what the PR says then good on them

My point is more or less to take it with a grain of salt.

I have thought the Warriors PR this year has been somewhat better; and the media have responded with less negative press. Remember when Mick Watson blocked certain sections of the media - it only earnt themselves more negativitiy.

Its all about the game, and how you play it. I read very little into what a club or player is quoted as saying, quite often its far from the mark.
 

Skinny_Ravs82

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Iafeta said:
Skinny_Ravs82 said:
Of course I agree with you mate, everyone at some stage gets affected by something negative it's human nature. But what I'm trying to say alternatively to that, as mentioned before; what is the big deal with letting it get to you. So what if they think and feel the season's over? Life's tough and you just got to forget and move on.

That's my intake of it. They want to look positive instead of sitting there thinking
"Ok we lost, and it's not like we will get anywhere this year anyway" I don't believe in that sort of outlook no matter the circumstance.

You take what comes to you like or not. And if the media want to add an extra aura to that then so be it but PR or not things are said and done which will never be reversable. So if they are happy to be positive regardless of what the PR says then good on them

My point is more or less to take it with a grain of salt.

I have thought the Warriors PR this year has been somewhat better; and the media have responded with less negative press. Remember when Mick Watson blocked certain sections of the media - it only earnt themselves more negativitiy.

Its all about the game, and how you play it. I read very little into what a club or player is quoted as saying, quite often its far from the mark.

well a quote's a quote either way. Yes I agree that they have improved alot more now since way back when. I wouldn't suggest to you or anyone else to read into such a quote regardless of who says it, but to take it into note and who knows how it stacks up as being said later in the year if you get my drift.
It was just interesting to note of what Ravs had said at the time, where as even I would't have expected such as the statement from him to lets say hearing it from some one like Pricey.
 

Iafeta_old

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Champ, I notice very little difference between the substance of what players say. They're all very heavily schooled in it, make no bones about it, one of Mr Becht's primary roles is media training for the players.

Certainly, the comments coming from the Warriors now are largely similar to the ones coming round 1 or round 20 last year.
 

ozbash_old

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look feka, thats just too much common sense for 1 day..

i mean,, you want us to be realists, or wot ? :p
 

Skinny_Ravs82

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Iafeta said:
Champ, I notice very little difference between the substance of what players say. They're all very heavily schooled in it, make no bones about it, one of Mr Becht's primary roles is media training for the players.

Certainly, the comments coming from the Warriors now are largely similar to the ones coming round 1 or round 20 last year.

You sound very much like a realist bro.
 

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