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My problem with Hoffman as captain has nothing to do with him being an Australian - I have 2 of them in my household. My problem with him is 1. his communication style and 2. his performance doesn't back up his message.

Take late last year as an example. All the talk was that Hoffman didn't hold back in his assessment of how poorly the Warriors finished the season. Well go back and look at those games and see how he played, how he defended. He was fucking woeful. This year his defence in the red zone ha once again been weak. He hasn't earned the right to talk the talk.
Im confused by this statement. Are you saying that what Hoffman said was wrong, or just that he shouldnt have the right to say it.
 
Im confused by this statement. Are you saying that what Hoffman said was wrong, or just that he shouldnt have the right to say it.
What I'm saying is that if he is just as much at fault with his performance, then standing on a pedestal and publicly (and no doubt privately) laying into the performance of your teammates is unlikely to win friends and influence people positively. There are different styles to leadership and I think he's chosen the wrong one. His credentials may indicate that he's the right choice as captain however I think he lacks leadership skills. Unfortunately as others have pointed out. I can't see who right at this point is a good leader within the club. I think there is a massive void and it's a huge problem.
 
Warriors hit back at 'circus stories'

By David Skipwith

Senior Warriors players have dismissed rumours of disharmony and division within the team and slammed "garbage" media reports for portraying the club in a bad light.

In recent weeks the under-siege club has been beset by rumours of dissent, and depending on the what version you hear or read, the Warriors are a team divided along racial lines and unhappy under the leadership of captain Ryan Hoffman and beleaguered coach Andrew McFadden.

Star halfback Shaun Johnson has also been the subject of unfounded talk that he is offside with teammates for alerting club management to players abusing prescription pills and energy drinks.

The trio has slammed the rumours as false and described inaccurate reports throughout social and mainstream media as "circus stories" serving only to undermine the club.

Despite team morale taking a battering after losing three of their past four games and the club enduring one of the darkest periods in their 21-year history, the playing group and management insist they remain united and committed to working together to dig themselves out of their lowly 14th place NRL ladder standing.

"They're coming from external sources," Hoffman said of the various rumours. "They're certainly not coming from within the club. People from outside this club are only speculating on what's happening here.

"It's a very harmonious environment. We've had a good chat to each other within the club and I can categorically dismiss any of those rumours and they have no basis for facts whatsoever."

Last week the Herald reported a private player's only meeting had seen younger players voice concerns around their ability to speak freely with senior leaders, and while praising McFadden's coaching ability, wing Manu Vatuvei admitted some players found his hard-but-fair and no-nonsense style confronting.

Those admissions led to further suggestions that the club was gripped by unrest, but McFadden says his team is simply unhappy with their current predicament and suffering a lack of confidence after a difficult period that began with the embarrassing 42-0 Anzac Day defeat to Melbourne.

"Look we're certainly aware of the rumours and all of the noise in the media but I can say that there's no rift," he said.

"There's a lot of disappointment, there's no doubt about that, but there's no rift. And we just need to win some footy games and show that style of play that we're known for."

Meanwhile, Johnson angrily denied he had 'dobbed' on his teammates and slammed reporters and columnists for giving life to speculation without offering players a chance to respond.

The 25-year-old admitted the rumours had filtered through to the Warriors inner sanctum and some of his teammates had asked him about their validity before he put their concerns at ease.

"That is just another one of those circus stories where there's no truth to it at all," he said. "I don't know if there was a senior leader that went to the coaching staff but I know it wasn't me. And I've told the players that have asked me that and that was ages ago.

"It's been dealt with, there's no split in the group. Everyone's one, we're all equal. We enjoy being around each other.

"Of late there's been too many of those stories where 'there's a divide in the group', or 'players aren't taking to Hoff (Hoffman)'.

"And that's the thing that probably gets under my skin the most, is that the media will keep writing those stories when they just don't know."

Johnson acknowledges the entire Warriors organization is feeling the pressure and knows only improved on-field performances and results will ease the strain.

"It's a stressful time for everybody involved with the Warriors. But, look, we've been through these periods before and we've come out (the other side). We'll just keep working hard and we know it will turn for us."



Sounds like all is well in Warrior land after all..
 
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Are you fucking mad??
Sledge I can see where you are coming from, alas I see it as a reward for Mutts he would grow with that mantle, the squad would look up to him, fuck who wouldn't want to follow him into battle, I can't see why Caphead doesn't play him 80 minutes he would be like Price but without the cheat metres! he ALWAYS played 80 down here, Mannering knows who the man was, why not promote him? as for Bully he would make a great Captain the boys would follow him, he can lay it down when need be, he is a fucken pro, we need a forward leader and it AIN'T Hoffman even you Sledge have to agree with that!!
 
I'm sorry, but this sounds like the biggest load of bollocks I have heard in my life.

They are saying everything is "harmonious", that would suggest we should be playing well but we aren't. This sounds to me that they are aware of what is being said and are releasing a report to counter every argument out there. How can the club apparently be in such good shape and yet play like a bunch of muppets.

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wing Manu Vatuvei admitted some players found his hard-but-fair and no-nonsense style confronting.

This statement speaks volumes, what are people with half a brain supposed to think!!!!

FFS
 

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What I'm saying is that if he is just as much at fault with his performance, then standing on a pedestal and publicly (and no doubt privately) laying into the performance of your teammates is unlikely to win friends and influence people positively. There are different styles to leadership and I think he's chosen the wrong one. His credentials may indicate that he's the right choice as captain however I think he lacks leadership skills. Unfortunately as others have pointed out. I can't see who right at this point is a good leader within the club. I think there is a massive void and it's a huge problem.
In my opinion the biggest problem with the Warriors is that there is to much back slapping and congratulating each other for shit games going on. Having someone stand up and tell it like it really is might suck if your a warrior, but its sucked for years as a warriors fan so im happy to see them share some of the load. Cappi has now joined this group of love in experts who try to recreate the past in a roseier image compounding his many issues as coach (with his latest we werent that bad last game bullshit).

So having one player stand up and tell it like it is, that does make him the perfect man to be the captain, because at least he is looking at what is there, not what he wants to be there.
 
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No doubt it must be difficult to block out all the white noise.

I can't think of to many clubs here in Australia that are subject to such a negative bias from the media, maybe Parramatta at the moment but they seem to have earned there stripes in that department.

What gives me the shit's is when I read something on this forum then find the next day an article with very very similar content, I know we live in the 5 minute news cycle these days but using this forum as source is not exactly investigative journalism.
 
there actually should be more back slapping and trying to lift your team mates instead of taking pot shots at them in the media and then not saying who it is you are actually talking about? come on dimwit Hoffman stop hiding and front up or fuck off.
 
No doubt it must be difficult to block out all the white noise.

I can't think of to many clubs here in Australia that are subject to such a negative bias from the media, maybe Parramatta at the moment but they seem to have earned there stripes in that department.

What gives me the shit's is when I read something on this forum then find the next day an article with very very similar content, I know we live in the 5 minute news cycle these days but using this forum as source is not exactly investigative journalism.
That's an interesting phenomenon...

Do other clubs forums provide as much factual information as ours for the Media to feed on?

Or do they keep the inside dirt well hidden from public view?
 
In my opinion the biggest problem with the Warriors in my opinion is that there is to much back slapping and congratulating each other for shit games going on. Having someone stand up and tell it like it really is might suck if your a warrior, but its sucked for years as a warriors fan so im happy to see them share some of the load. Cappi has now joined this group of love in experts who try to recreate the past in a roseier image compounding his many issues as coach (with his latest we werent that bad last game bullshit).

So having one player stand up and tell it like it is, that does make him the perfect man to be the captain, because at least he is looking at what is there, not what he wants to be there.
Well done on completely ignoring the point I was trying to make. Seriously pointless to even reply to you.
 
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Well done on completely ignoring the point I was trying to make. Seriously pointless to even reply to you.
your point was that he hadnt earned the right to be captain as his personal game wasnt up to it. Do i have that right because that was the way i took it.

My point is that if the only person in the team that was prepared to stand up and tell it like it is, was the water boy then i would want him as captain.
 
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This statement speaks volumes, what are people with half a brain supposed to think!!!!

FFS

"Thank fuck I'm not like those poor sods and soddesses with quarter of a brain who support those bloody Warriors!"

Hey, at least unlike the Blues we've made it into a New Zealand film. Okay, the reference isn't exactly flattering, but surely now "Hunt For The Wilderpeople" is opening overseas, there'll be people going "Warriors!? Who are they? Better Google...OOOOHHH MERCHANDISE!" and then walk around their home town wearing merchandise from a team they'd never heard of before seeing HFTW, from a sport they have no idea about.

Wayne Scurrah must be pissed off he resigned rather than hung in there right now. Imagine the jerseys: "Kingi You Wanker" jersey, "Cauc-Asian" jersey...etc...
 
your point was that he hadnt earned the right to be captain as his personal game wasnt up to it. Do i have that right because that was the way i took it.

My point is that if the only person in the team that was prepared to stand up and tell it like it is, was the water boy then i would want him as captain.

Mr Brownstone makes a valid argument, though. It's like a teacher marching up to the front of the English class, saying "Today, we're doing Hamlet!" stuttering his way through the first few lines and then yelling at one of the students for doing the same thing later on.

A captain's game really needs to be, not beyond reproach because every player's going to have a bad game/drop in form at some point, but well below average for negative stats: Hoffman doesn't need to be the Try Assist King or anything like that, but nor should he be anywhere near Missed Tackles King.

For any discussion about the hows, whys and wherefores about Mannering giving up/being stripped of (depending on who you believe/your bias) the captainisity, he was not a feature in the Negative Stats...
 
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Hoffman poor choice
Initially I thought he was next cab off the rank and would be better, didn't work out that way and not only has his Captaincy been poor his game in general has also suffered.
Wish you could see the same failure in your mate Gonnie though. He was great 3 years ago and given every opportunity but failed miserably so you can't blame the coach for his failure as even he has admitted that he was not up to it.
 
Matty Johns said the Warriors were a talent graveyard when Sheck signed last year.

That's what pisses me off most about all this. That he's currently, absolutely right.
 
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This is funny...

One needs to be shipped on and one turned up massively overweight......not very good examples for Captain material.

Unfortunately, apart from Mannering, who doesn't want it. there is no stand out for Captain.

Hoffman would of been a great choice, 5 years ago, not now as he is being shown for what he is, an ageing professional on his last legs.

Unfortunately, the last decent captain we had was Steve Price, signed at the right time, led from the front and had the respect of the playing group...I won't go into the off field stuff as I'm not knowledgeable in what went behind the scenes....

If I was Doyle and Cappy, I'd be trying to sign a marque forward who could easily be the captain of the team, and I would make this a condition of them signing, as in, we will give you XYZ, but you need to be our captain.

But wishes are other men's fishes...