General Warriors Defence Thread

Discussion in 'Warriors Discussion' started by jonno, Aug 26, 2014.

  1. Worried2Death
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    You probably don't know whether they're going to switch from Storm set move 18 to move 36 mid-set, whereas they do. Consequently you'll often fuck it up and miss your man. Our Process power level is Beginner, and Cam Smith is virtually Yoda. May the Process be with you.
     
  2. jonno
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    I hear what your saying.

    But you always know where the PTB is happening, and were each play starts from. And you can see where the opposition is setting up and then move fast to control the space they have to work with.

    And you can always charge hard and put the kicker on his ass....

    Disruption is the best defensive strategy against a well drilled outfit. It doesn't matter how hard Bellyach drills his guys, if our guys are getting in their faces at every single play and knocking them over they can't operate their plays.

    It was a sleepy effort from out guys pure and simple, and had we played the same against the Eels they might have pumped us as well.
     
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    If Cam Smith is Yoda then Billy Slater is Obi Wan. That had to be Force control he used a week ago to convince the bunker his drop kick was intentional. Unfortunately we looked like stormtroopers the other night. Couldn't hit anything.
     
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    This is in the galaxy where Yoda is a cheating cunt and allegedly Hitler
     
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    I'm glad Beale is still coming back , he might help sure up an edge.
    Not having Harris hurt and not having Kata hurt too.
    It feels bad but Melbourne would have rolled anyone that night.
    Hiku I believe can improve , if he just learns to hit and stick and nail the guy first time we could have some solid edges.
     
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    I’m prepared to give the defence the benefit of the doubt on this one.

    We were missing four edge defenders in Harris Pulu Johnson and Kata. Kata makes the odd misread but his aggressive intent on D was missed on Wednesday.

    Melbourne were excellent in gameplan and execution. Not many teams will be able to be as accurate with those tactics although all will try now.

    Look forward to seeing how we will counter teams going wide from now on, it’s a big test of our ability to adapt to what other teams throw at us.
     
  7. jonno
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    Storms first try 3 mins into the game. Surely fatigue wasn't a factor at this point.

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    On the fifth tackle, nobody from marker raced after the ball to pressure the kicker and one of our props abandons the line creating a huge hole if the Storm wanted to keep the ball in hand.

    1% fail.

    Storm get the bounce of the ball, and it's try time.

    Last weeks defensive hustle would have given this try 10% odds of success. This week with the relaxed attitude it was 70% odds of success.
     
  8. Inruin
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    look at the play before. Hiku complete gets lost in the defensive line allowing for the line break. We are on the backfoot completely by the time this plays out and they went wide very quickly by the way of a cross field kick. left no chance to scramble
     
  9. jonno
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    Hiku has been doing that all season. It's not pretty, but our scramble has been covering him fairly well. His edge has scored more tries than they've coincided.

    But on Wednesday the scramble wasn't there at all.

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    You can really see the difference in defensive intensity from the Slater kick to the Dragons near miss.
     
  10. Inruin
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    that Hiku play prior is the worst piece of defense i have seen. Its actually generous calling it a defensive piece. The difference afterwards is that Slater got it to the other side of the field as quickly as he could by way of a crossfield kick. you cant scramble one way then back the other that fast unless they go through the hands. Like most things in this game, looking at the immediate play often doesnt tell the whole story. You generally need to go back a play or two, sometimes sets, to see how it all unfolded.
     
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    Genuinely curious how you came up with those odds?
     
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    Pulu’s injury is proving to be a major blow for the club. Good to see a fringe 1st grad player, well not a star player at the Titans, doing well. A good move by the recruitment team.
     
  13. jonno
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    Hiku is a poor defender for sure. But he's not responsible for the rest of the team shape-shifting from berserkers into sloths on the scramble D.

    And if the team changes back into berserkers v the Tigers it won't be to Hiku's credit either IMO..
     
  14. jonno
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    OK, so I just pulled them out of my ass...:p

    But the real odds are somewhere around there IMO.

    And it's a sliding scale. The slower our defenders run, the greater the odds our opponents have of scoring points. And conversely the faster our defenders run the lower the odds our opponents have of scoring points.
     
  15. Inruin
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    not saying that at all, but you are questioning the teams scramble. The example you gave doesn't reflect reality. It wasn't the scramble that was missing against the strom, it was the frontline commitment to defence and the tackle. The play before the try you showed exemplifies this. Scramble only works if they can slow them down to start with in some way.
     
  16. jonno
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    I agree with that as well. There was a lack of energy in contact, and in the scramble. We gave them way to many tackle breaks, and way too many overlaps.

    My point with that passage was that there was no scramble once the shit had hit the fan. The reason the shit hit the fan in the first place is as you say it is. But we'd been winning games because we didn't let oppositions capitalize on a half break. Then against the storm we didn't do anywhere near enough to stop them scoring 6 unanswered tries in the first half.

    I'm not saying they were going out there to lose, or anything like that. I blame the coaching staff for not prepping the team properly for the short turnaround, plus travel, plus late night factors...
     
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    Jonno you want to give us a breakdown of Hiku's technique? Would be interested in hearing what he needs to change.
     
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    He’s a shirt grabber

    That’s his problem

    Needs to go low and in with the shoulder

    RTS had the same problem last year
     
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    The other two keys missing against the storm was our talkers and directors....Harris Luke SJ Gavet....lot of experience and talk gone.
    Then you also lose that familiarity of combinations that practice all the time....the very reason the Kiwis limp at the start of tournaments.

    Look at last night....our Left was moving like one organism before even the attack came into contact with that line...there's no room to attack.
     
  20. jonno
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    I can only review highlights, so if you can point to a highlights vid where he missed a tackle and they scored, I'll have a look.