Internationals The NZRL (Numskulls, Zombies & Real Losers)

Kiwi League_old

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I've had a gutsful of this organisation. They've (quite rightly) gained a reputation as the worst run sporting body in NZ.
When they started investing in pubs, I raised my eyebrows. What business does a national sporting body have sinking their cash into pubs? Did the fact that Sel Bennett (NZRL board member) was the owner of said pubs have anything to do with it? Can you spell "conflict of interest"? And I thought the NZRL was broke. Why not put that money into a high-interest bearing account? Or spend it on JUNIOR DEVELOPMENT?
Remember, this was the organisation that said they were too broke to pay anything more than a pittance to our Kiwi players - and they had a lot of supporters on this site too. "Poor old NZRL - only enough money for some JUNIOR DEVELOPMENT". (That's what they always cry when someone aks for a fair wage - JUNIOR DEVELOPMENT).
So it was with a mixture of horror & inevitability that I read that the NZRL have lost HALF A MILLION DOLLARS in their failed PUB investments. Very, very sad. They have failed the rugby league public yet again with their mindless stupidity & cronyism.
And what are they paying Brian McClennan? Twenty thousand dollars....that's right.....twenty thousand dollars. What...an...insult.
Make no mistake: the NZRL is run by fools / nincompoops / idiots / losers...anything else you care to add. They are a joke, an utter disgrace, a shambolic waste of time and space.
 

Skinner_old

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Read the article properly mate - they have offered an increase
of 20K....they're still paying a pittance but your post is misleading.

Skinner
 

Kiwi League_old

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I got it right.
He was being paid 20,000 for his work as Kiwi's coach plus 30,000 for development work he has done.
So his base Kiwi coach's salary WAS 20,000.
Would you like to debate or discuss any other aspect of my post? It seems you would rather look for a factual error in what I posted than condemn the worst run sporting body in New Zealand.
 

PB_old

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KL, where did you read this or do you have a link? It'd be good for everyone to flick through.
 

Kiwi League_old

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The story about the HALF A MILLION DOLLARS lost in failed PUB investments broke in the sunday papers last week...the McClennan revelations were in the Sunday News today....the fact that Sel Pearson couldn't be stuffed going to Warriors board meetings for years is 3 or 4 weeks old. We get drip-fed the bad news but it's usually in the paper.
Sonner or later someones going to connect the dots and there will be a fully fledged investigation into this joke an outfit.
 

PB_old

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$20,000 ... They must be nuts
12 March 2006
by NEIL REID

EXCLUSIVE to the Sunday News

Hero Kiwis coach Brian "Bluey" McClennan is in a pay row with league bosses, who are giving him a pathetic $20,000 to lead the national team.

Just two months out from the Anzac test against Australia, McClennan, who led the Kiwis to a 24-0 Tri-series win over the world champion Kangaroos, still hasn't signed a contract with the New Zealand Rugby League.

McClennan - who sold his family business to take over the Kiwis - wants a pay package of up to $100,000, including win bonuses, for coaching the team and acting as a fulltime league development officer.

But the NZRL which last year paid him $20,000 for coaching plus $30,000 for development work has only upped its offer to $70,000.

McClennan last night confirmed he still hadn't come to terms with the league bosses.

"You will have to ask the NZRL. Give them a call, mate, and ask Selwyn Pearson what is going on,".

McClennan told Sunday News.

"I can't comment. But nothing is happening. No contract has been signed.".

Another contract stumbling block is McClennan's desire to have a greater say on team selection.

Despite McClennan pulling master strokes like converting Shontayne Hape to lock in the Tri-series final, NZRL bosses don't want the coach to be on the selection panel.

NZRL chairman Selwyn Pearson last night said they and McClennan needed to agree to a "compromise".

"It would be really, really nice. But I don't think it will happen this weekend," Pearson said..

"But we are getting awfully close. It is looking good. He's not asking the world. It's strictly around contracts. He wants what is right. And I want what is right."

But the NZRL has been attacked for paying McClennan a pittance.

All Blacks coach Graham Henry gets a base salary of $400,000 plus bonuses more than 20 times what McClennan is currently being paid as Kiwis coach.

The Newcastle Knights last week hired Brian Smith as its new coach from 2007 on $350,000 a season.

Former Kiwis coach Frank Endacott said the NZRL need to "get their heads read" over the McClennan pay row.

"Average coaches in the Super League are earning six times what the NZRL are offering this bloke," Endacott said.
 

IanS_old

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If my eyes don't deceive me, that's 50K a year.

Should be getting a base salary of at least 100K and bonuses, probably more, but I don't know how much more.
 

PB_old

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If they can afford to blow money as reported, and then offer him that, they need to allow him total control as a "compromise" on their part.

I'd like Sunday News to publish the salaries of key NZRL staff like the Sel's and Peter Cordtz etc to allow context.

Incidentally, is there publicly available information of the NZRL P&L?
 

JonB_old

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I hope old Sel isn't getting more than Bluey. Bluey should be on atleast 100 000 because that is on par with alot of coachs in SL or NRL. But I think he deserves alot more for what he has been apart of, he didn't win the Tri nations by himself but he had alot to do with it.
And that was a big big thing for rugby league in New Zealand.
 

IanS_old

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It would be hard to judge a base salary for coaching the Kiwis since it only covers the ANZAC test and the tri-series. All up, about 6 games if we make the TN GF.

Clearly, though, he's the right man for the job and the NZRL should do whatever they need to, to keep him.
 

Kiwi League_old

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Do we care that this mob lost $500,000 dollars of league stake-holders money through shonky investment deals in pubs?
Do we care that Sel couldn't be bothered turning up for Warriors board meetings?
Do we care that the NZRL see's fit to pay our coach $20,000 as his base salary, and think that's fair?

Sel Pearson is set to become the chief executive of the NZRL, with Sel Bennet tipped to take over as chairman. Why? Why would the rugby league districts approve this? These guys deserve the boot for their performance, yet it seems everyone's prepared to look the other way. I think some rugby league people are mental if they think the game in NZ is in safe hands with these people running it.
 

Jackal_old

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im with you on this one K L. It is a joke of an organisation, there's stuff all promotion being done, the grassroots game is stagnant.,..something has to change. These people (nzrl) should have the games best interests in mind, and be leaders/pioneers for the sport. Sel Pearson is a joke of a leader...seems more interested in enjoying a cold one that running an organisation.

You should write something to that affect and send it to a newpaper...im sure itll get published. Maybe a bit more criticism might get them to pull finger and do someting useful..or better yet get the boot!
 

Kiwi League_old

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I think the only way things are going to change is if people at grass roots level demand better from the NZRL. I think everyone's just fallen into the trap of thinking that the rubbish they come up with is normal.
The Kiwi's have raised the bar on the park, exceeded all expectations & given us a sense of pride in our league - now it's time to get a professional administration & a competent, business minded CEO.
The thought of Sel Pearson filling this crucial role is terrifying - there must be another Wayne Scurrah out there who can be appointed.
I just don't understand how the set-up of the NZRL works - it seems Pearson will get this role on a plate out of some stitched up, old-boys-network deal. Wheres the transparency? Why don't the rugby league disctricts shake things up a bit? Or is the dirty backroom dealing & politics so entrenched that there's no hope of this happening.
 

Skinner_old

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Kiwi League said:
I got it right.
He was being paid 20,000 for his work as Kiwi's coach plus 30,000 for development work he has done.
So his base Kiwi coach's salary WAS 20,000.
Would you like to debate or discuss any other aspect of my post? It seems you would rather look for a factual error in what I posted than condemn the worst run sporting body in New Zealand.

No - you got it wrong (deliberately I'd suggest). You completely
marred what otherwise was a reasonable post by trying to make
a situation look worse than it is. I see a 50K package...

FFS - look around other forums, do you think you are the only
one who cares about the unprofessionalism of the NZRL. A lot
of us have been baning on about it for a long time.

And by the way, here's a bit of business advice - there is risk
associated with any investment...and it wasn't 500K it was a shared
loss with ARL.
 

PB_old

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OK. So, given the title of the thread, how about some pros and cons for the current admin and what is the best way for the NZRL to go forward?

Following on from a good Ian S point, should there be a heavy weighting toward win bonus' due to the limited nature of the International Season?

Can the NZRL and ARL share the some costs to offer a better package and McClennan's profile to aid the Auckland game also?

Should the NZRL be strengthening ties with gambling, gaming and alcohol (GGA) organisations and or companies? Or is that irrelevant in today's competitive sponsorship environment?

At a glance, there are 10 sponsorship placements on the NZRL website not counting essentially a Bartercard double-up. Others such as Gillette (Product), Mad Butcher (Product), RLIF (Ruling Body) and Scottwood Trust (Gaming) are not listed so are not included. Of the 10 below; 7 have a status of Funding Partner, Sponsor or Licensee (in Bold) while the others have no status. 5 of the 10 and 4 of the 7 are in the mentioned GGA industries.

  • SAS[list:b4908238ab]Apparel
Lion Red
  • Alcohol
Bartercard
  • Trading
SPARC
  • Govt Funding
TAB
  • Gambling
Sky Sport
  • Pay TV
NZ Community Trust
  • Gaming
Crown
  • Product
Photosport
  • Media
Lion Red Foundation
  • Gaming
[/list:u:b4908238ab]

Could be a good discussion.
 

AliN_old

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they, the NZRL, need to do whatever it takes to hold onto Bluey.
If they don't league will suffer big time in NZ as it's starting to..
 

*Kimmy*_old

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Please..just give bluey what he wants man..its the least he deserves

He hasnt even signed a contract yet.....im very worried :cry:
 

Ronnie_7_old

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Mate i didn't realise they were trying to pay Bluey that! What a load of crock! that man is clearly the man for the job. They better get their bloody act together and give the man what he deserves, which, by the way, I think is more then 100K. The man won us the Tri-Nations!!!!How many NZ coaches can say that while in the same sentence say that the score in that grand final was 24 - nil. Nil for peets sake. Against the Aussies. The NZRL need a reality check.A really big one. He's looking after our national side as well as taking on the development. This man is league through and through and we can;t let him slip through our fingers. And another thing what are they playing at not giving him a place on the selction committee? He's the coach for goodness sake. He has to coach them and he knows what he's looking for. What a joke
 

*Kimmy*_old

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Bluey is worth a million dollars...MILLION DOLLAR BABY!! lol...something is seriously wrong if we let him slip away...THIS MAN IS A LEGEND!!!!!!!!!
 

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