Internationals The New Haka (Te Iwi Kiwi)

[ashnizzle]

just wondering what are you thoughts of the new haka?

looks like there isnt much talk about it but i guess the game being played at 2am didnt help either with viewers.

 

[¿N. ig-mah¿]

I kinda like it. I think it is great to break away from "Kamate" and the tag of pinching the All Blacks Haka.

The only thing I didn't like was the borrowing of the throat slit from the ABs.

I quite like the fact it was built for and by the Kiwis, and that it was designed to incorporate the other heritage of NZ.

Naturally there were issues and problems with it, but after a bit more practice and with a trophy to chase, lets hope they can make it more aggressive and passionate.

 

[Sup42]

Disliked it a lot.

Didn't like that some social engineering idealist meddled with a cultural tradition that belonged to all NZ the moment the first team performed it at the turn of the century

The meaning of Adopting the Haka as it is in it's traditional form was that it belongs to us all.

Otherwise Maori would be the only players performing it with ihi passion etc

The Northern Polynesian players putitng their hand in changing the Haka need to take pause and consider would it be rightful for say the Fiji team to add Bollywood elements to theirs to be more inclusive

The Maori who came up with this idea is laughing all the way to self promotion

What makes me proud of the Haka ?

When I see My Northern Polynesian Tuakana ( Older brother ) and Pakeha ( My Kinsman by blood ) perform the one thing a Maori has to share that his brothers and sisters who live in this country have shared with respect.

 

[fanrrior]

I went with "Like" because, truth be told, I liked it more than ka mate. But that really isn't saying much.

Maybe it's something to do with me being born in Christchurch and being brought up with mostly a Kai Tahu ideology that makes me really dislike a haka from Te Rauparaha.

With that said though Te Iwi Kiwi is an incredulously simple haka with generic actions. When I look at the choreography it gives me the impression that the composers made it the way it is so that the players can learn the gist of it in less than an hour and have a session of practice before lights out every night to drill it into their heads. For the most part, the lyrics are okay. Even though Luke, as kaitataki tane, was the only player who had to learn his lines properly. As an avid kapa haka watcher I'd rate Te Iwi Kiwi as just meh.

What happened to their specialized haka that they performed after winning the cup?

 

[Far Away Fan]

One of these days, I believe, the hakas of this world will be left behind.

They are enervating, that's for sure, but not in a good way. They involve the channelling of a very low energy.

This is 2013, not 1813 or 1913. 2013.

Society wants to rid itself of gangs, for whose members random violence is a way of life. Society is doing its utmost to move away from violent behaviour, and yet the new haka involves a throat cut. How does that help? Why is New Zealand embracing this *stuff*?

It is a great sadness for me that there is such a focus on the haka as "something which all New Zealanders can share." I don't ever want to share it. I want it to be left behind, completely. When it is, then New Zealanders will all be able to come together in a very beautiful way, as they all leave the past behind, completely.

Sup, there *are* things which Maori still have which they can share and can help Pakeha with. They are (usually) closer to the heart and their connection with nature is usually far better. There's no focus on this, though, as it's not the kind of thing which makes the headlines.

 

[Sup42]

One of these days, I believe, the hakas of this world will be left behind.

They are enervating, that's for sure, but not in a good way. They involve the channelling of a very low energy.

This is 2013, not 1813 or 1913. 2013.

Society wants to rid itself of gangs, for whose members random violence is a way of life. Society is doing its utmost to move away from violent behaviour, and yet the new haka involves a throat cut. How does that help? Why is New Zealand embracing this *stuff*?

I swore after posting my true opinion of something that is potentially loaded that I wouldn't reply to any posts because I don't discuss the cultural or racial or divisive stuff with people.

Mainly because I accept people are entitled to their own views and My post was more of a personal declaration as opposed to trying to construct an influential argument.

I've quoted you because that's a seperate ideal you're talking about which isn't racially loaded , It's a good point in of itself.

If I extrapolate the idea about negative energy and this being 2013 and not 1813..............contact sport comes into question in it's role in a harmonious world

 

[Lord Gnome of Howick MBE]

I've kind of gone off the whole haka thing since the all blacks started wanking over it.

 

[Harlz]

im glad they have parted ways from the Ngati Toa haka that the all blacks use, good to see the league boys do a specific haka for their unit. solid

 

[lolcaeks]

One of these days, I believe, the hakas of this world will be left behind.

They are enervating, that's for sure, but not in a good way. They involve the channelling of a very low energy.

This is 2013, not 1813 or 1913. 2013.

Society wants to rid itself of gangs, for whose members random violence is a way of life. Society is doing its utmost to move away from violent behaviour, and yet the new haka involves a throat cut. How does that help? Why is New Zealand embracing this *stuff*?

It is a great sadness for me that there is such a focus on the haka as "something which all New Zealanders can share." I don't ever want to share it. I want it to be left behind, completely. When it is, then New Zealanders will all be able to come together in a very beautiful way, as they all leave the past behind, completely.

Sup, there *are* things which Maori still have which they can share and can help Pakeha with. They are (usually) closer to the heart and their connection with nature is usually far better. There's no focus on this, though, as it's not the kind of thing which makes the headlines.

I disagree

If anything, Kapa Haka is on the up, especially within the maori community

Both my daughters love it and I have whanau who have participated in teams that have won the national titles and travelled the world promoting the art

My nephews and friends kids all participate and its dead serious even at a young age

You can also see even at college level rugby its a massive part of their culture. In this videos there are more pakeha kids then anyone else and guess what THEY LOVE IT



To associate the actions performed within a Haka with gang violence is ridiculous

Haka is not about promoting violence, its about promoting strength and solidarity and laying down the challenge to your opposition

You do have the right to your opinion but Haka aint going anywhere and its what makes New Zealand what it is

 

[Lord Gnome of Howick MBE]

Doing the haka is a bit like teenage boys seeing who can't wank the longest.[DOUBLEPOST=1382388044][/DOUBLEPOST]The all blacks have kind if ruined it for what it was and made it theirs.

 

[Jay M]

I disagree

If anything, Kapa Haka is on the up, especially within the maori community

Both my daughters love it and I have whanau who have participated in teams that have won the national titles and travelled the world promoting the art

My nephews and friends kids all participate and its dead serious even at a young age

You can also see even at college level rugby its a massive part of their culture. In this videos there are more pakeha kids then anyone else and guess what THEY LOVE IT



To associate the actions performed within a Haka with gang violence is ridiculous

Haka is not about promoting violence, its about promoting strength and solidarity and laying down the challenge to your opposition

You do have the right to your opinion but Haka aint going anywhere and its what makes New Zealand what it is

Fully agree. The haka is a great example of NZ culture. If we stopped doing it, it wouldn't be the same. Personally, I prefer the haka to the anthem as it means more to me (don't get me wrong, I will sing our anthem loud, proud and horribly, but I'm not a fan of it, especially the English words).

The haka represents part of the journey that New Zealand has come on. It's not about violence, it's not all about Maori either, it's part of NZ's cultural heritage. I don't see the other Pacific Islands talking about dropping their ritual challenges (for the record, I love watching Samoa vs Tonga when both sides do their respective challenges simultaneously). Our school had it's own haka. It didn't matter who did it, it said you were part of our school, part of our brotherhood. It's laying down a challenge, it's about you, and your mates (or some who aren't your mates) standing next to you, when that jersey is on and you're all wearing it together - it's unity, a sign of a team...

Actually, re-reading that last paragraph - maybe the warriors should have a haka then...

 

[Weno]

I went with unsure, it has good meaning to it , and makes a statement .
Te Iwi Kiwi just missing something in the action side of it

I disagree

If anything, Kapa Haka is on the up, especially within the maori community

Both my daughters love it and I have whanau who have participated in teams that have won the national titles and travelled the world promoting the art

My nephews and friends kids all participate and its dead serious even at a young age

You can also see even at college level rugby its a massive part of their culture. In this videos there are more pakeha kids then anyone else and guess what THEY LOVE IT



To associate the actions performed within a Haka with gang violence is ridiculous

Haka is not about promoting violence, its about promoting strength and solidarity and laying down the challenge to your opposition

You do have the right to your opinion but Haka aint going anywhere and its what makes New Zealand what it is

Every 1st xv has a Haka , at most 1st xv games, performing the most dominant Haka over one another is
more important than the game itself.
It was great watching the 1st xv rugby Haka on t.v, even the prep schools dominated by pakeha down south and every where else performed and embraced there Haka with pride , intensity and loyalty for there schools.
Don't see the Haka fading out. NZ Haka or Polynesian Haka.

 

[smc]

I don't really care for the haka to start with but that new haka seemed kind of dull compared to the thing the cookies did. If I had too chose one for them to do I would say go with the old one, I have no idea why a new one was required.

I recall last time the kiwis had a new haka they lost then used the excuse they spent too much time and energy practicing the haka. Are they just preparing an excuse early for potential losses.

 

[mrblonde]

Well, it's all pre-game theatre, isn't it? Designed to psych yourself up/psych out the opposition. And we all love a haka when it's done well. I actually like the throat cutting at the end...

I just worry hakas will end up like sport jerseys - every body's got their own seperate uniform (All Blacks, Warriors, etc) and then there's several versions of that seperate uniform.

What next? Performing Ka Mate when the Kiwis play at Mt Smart Stadium but not if it's a Friday, performing Te Iwi Kiwi when it's Australia but not when it's any other nation...And a third one when they're in the Northern Hemisphere??

OT: Just noticed the Similar Threads at the bottom (go on, Mods, tell me it's been there for months and you're miffed I've only just noticed). Very, very good move. Job well done folks.

 

[eudebrito]

Our anthem sucks, fails to stir any emotion in me at all, would be better if they only did it in Te Reo then we don't have to be reminded of the naff words.
Or olympic games styles, just the tune - that'd be better.

Every team doing Ka Mate get's a bit old, so it's good that they've come up with one, but on first view it's not a very dynamic one.
Maybe they'll work on it, it's no Kapo O Pongo, it's got to be said.

 

[Evil_Mush]

I'd actually be a fan of the Warriors doing some sort of "locker haka" to psych themselves up before heading to field, would be pretty cool viewing on TV and wouldn't have people moaning about it being done onfield in front of the opposition (for all the reasons we already know and have gone over when Owen Glenn brought it up a while back).

As for the Kiwis new haka, I prefer it to the last 'new' one where they looked like they were about to break out into a can-can, but might take a few looks at it to get used to it and actually try to figure out the words.
I think JWH will enjoy pulling out the mean facials as well.

 

[Jay M]

would be better if they only did it in Te Reo then we don't have to be reminded of the naff words.

fully support that idea... I hate the words as well...

I think JWH will enjoy pulling out the mean facials as well.

Luke gets some pretty good facials going on as well...

 

[surfin]

I love a haka when done properly, but as someone that has spent a fair bit of time living overseas nothing makes me want to crawl in a hole more than drunk skinny white guys, that never do one at home think they look shit hot doing one in a pub in London or similar, the other version that should be permanently banned, NZ Olympic team management doing one every time a Kiwi athelete manages to put the correct shoe on the correct foot. I don't even know if I would consider it disrespectful, more just ridiculous.

 

[Evil_Mush]

Luke gets some pretty good facials going on as well...

Absolutely, he's got the eye roll, tongue stretch & popping neck veins down pat! But he's lost his buddies Benji & Blair who were also connoisseurs of the crazy haka face/screech.

Will be interesting to see if they do this throughout the whole tournament or if they revert to Ka Mate for some games. One thing about Ka Mate is it's got that "singalong" aspect to it (we can all play along at home) hah!

 

[MarkW]

I hope if we play the Poms they reply to the haka with some mean as Morris dancing.