Internationals 'THE KIWIS' : 2010

[Kiwi League_old]

"2 minutes remaining on the clock...Webster plays the ball back to hooker Fien.....he comes back to left and finds Rovelli....Rovelli's taken in a two man tackle, but manages to link up with Luck, who transfers the ball out to Aidan Kirk in space. Kirk kicks through and Michael Crockett charges on to it, but is brought down 20 metres out from the line. Wade McKinnon scoots out of dummy half, hands it off to Frank Pritchard, who throws a one-handed off-load to Brent Webb; Ben Roberts is screaming for the ball, but Webb chip kicks to Tony Martin in the corner!"
"The veteran scores, and is swamped by his team-mates, Rovelli, Kirk, the skipper Fien, Luck - they're ecstatic! Coach Brian...Smith is grinning from ear to ear"
'The Kiwis' have done it! -
Let's reflect proudly on how 'The Kiwis' achieved this remarkable success:
In 2008 the NZRL successfully appealed to the International board to remove the 3 year residency rule, on the grounds that this farcical rule was preventing Australian's living in NZ, (who would inevitably play for 'The Kiwis' anyway), from achieving their birth-right.
The NZRL were taking their cue from NZ fans, who had become totally ambivalent towards who was representing them, and would mindlessly intone 'Carrol/Thorn' against any opposition.
Thereafter, it was logical that in 2009 the NZRL would sell 'The Kiwis' brand to News Ltd for a multi-million dollar sum, wiping out their crippling debt, and for 'The Kiwis' to become the first privately owned franchise team in international league, dropping any association with the nation that spawned them. And now 'The' Kiwis have risen to dominate the international scene, with a legion of international fans.
As one fan of 'The Kiwis' puts it: "I'd select an arab from Timbuktoo as long as we beat Australia!"

 

[Jesbass_old]

"2 minutes remaining on the clock...Webster plays the ball back to hooker Fien.....he comes back to left and finds Rovelli....Rovelli's taken in a two man tackle, but manages to link up with Luck, who transfers the ball out to Aidan Kirk in space. Kirk kicks through and Michael Crockett charges on to it, but is brought down 20 metres out from the line. Wade McKinnon scoots out of dummy half, hands it off to Frank Pritchard, who throws a one-handed off-load to Brent Webb; Ben Roberts is screaming for the ball, but Webb chip kicks to Tony Martin in the corner!"
"The veteran scores, and is swamped by his team-mates, Rovelli, Kirk, the skipper Fien, Luck - they're ecstatic! Coach Brian...Smith is grinning from ear to ear"
'The Kiwis' have done it! -
Let's reflect proudly on how 'The Kiwis' achieved this remarkable success:
In 2008 the NZRL successfully appealed to the International board to remove the 3 year residency rule, on the grounds that this farcical rule was preventing Australian's living in NZ, (who would inevitably play for 'The Kiwis' anyway), from achieving their birth-right.
The NZRL were taking their cue from NZ fans, who had become totally ambivalent towards who was representing them, and would mindlessly intone 'Carrol/Thorn' against any opposition.
Thereafter, it was logical that in 2009 the NZRL would sell 'The Kiwis' brand to News Ltd for a multi-million dollar sum, wiping out their crippling debt, and for 'The Kiwis' to become the first privately owned franchise team in international league, dropping any association with the nation that spawned them. And now 'The' Kiwis have risen to dominate the international scene, with a legion of international fans.
As one fan of 'The Kiwis' puts it: "I'd select an arab from Timbuktoo as long as we beat Australia!"

Lol! Brilliant post, KL. :lol:

 

[warriorfaithful*_old]

"2 minutes remaining on the clock...Webster plays the ball back to hooker Fien.....he comes back to left and finds Rovelli....Rovelli's taken in a two man tackle, but manages to link up with Luck, who transfers the ball out to Aidan Kirk in space. Kirk kicks through and Michael Crockett charges on to it, but is brought down 20 metres out from the line. Wade McKinnon scoots out of dummy half, hands it off to Frank Pritchard, who throws a one-handed off-load to Brent Webb; Ben Roberts is screaming for the ball, but Webb chip kicks to Tony Martin in the corner!"
"The veteran scores, and is swamped by his team-mates, Rovelli, Kirk, the skipper Fien, Luck - they're ecstatic! Coach Brian...Smith is grinning from ear to ear"
'The Kiwis' have done it! -
Let's reflect proudly on how 'The Kiwis' achieved this remarkable success:
In 2008 the NZRL successfully appealed to the International board to remove the 3 year residency rule, on the grounds that this farcical rule was preventing Australian's living in NZ, (who would inevitably play for 'The Kiwis' anyway), from achieving their birth-right.
The NZRL were taking their cue from NZ fans, who had become totally ambivalent towards who was representing them, and would mindlessly intone 'Carrol/Thorn' against any opposition.
Thereafter, it was logical that in 2009 the NZRL would sell 'The Kiwis' brand to News Ltd for a multi-million dollar sum, wiping out their crippling debt, and for 'The Kiwis' to become the first privately owned franchise team in international league, dropping any association with the nation that spawned them. And now 'The' Kiwis have risen to dominate the international scene, with a legion of international fans.
As one fan of 'The Kiwis' puts it: "I'd select an arab from Timbuktoo as long as we beat Australia!"

Lol! Brilliant post, KL. :lol:

Yeh lol not bad.

 

[Kaiaua krusher_old]

The day that happens, you can stick the game where the sun don't shine. On second thoughts, maybe for some it does!!!

 

[Esoj_old]

"2 minutes remaining on the clock...Webster plays the ball back to hooker Fien.....he comes back to left and finds Rovelli....Rovelli's taken in a two man tackle, but manages to link up with Luck, who transfers the ball out to Aidan Kirk in space. Kirk kicks through and Michael Crockett charges on to it, but is brought down 20 metres out from the line. Wade McKinnon scoots out of dummy half, hands it off to Frank Pritchard, who throws a one-handed off-load to Brent Webb; Ben Roberts is screaming for the ball, but Webb chip kicks to Tony Martin in the corner!"
"The veteran scores, and is swamped by his team-mates, Rovelli, Kirk, the skipper Fien, Luck - they're ecstatic! Coach Brian...Smith is grinning from ear to ear"
'The Kiwis' have done it! -
Let's reflect proudly on how 'The Kiwis' achieved this remarkable success:
In 2008 the NZRL successfully appealed to the International board to remove the 3 year residency rule, on the grounds that this farcical rule was preventing Australian's living in NZ, (who would inevitably play for 'The Kiwis' anyway), from achieving their birth-right.
The NZRL were taking their cue from NZ fans, who had become totally ambivalent towards who was representing them, and would mindlessly intone 'Carrol/Thorn' against any opposition.
Thereafter, it was logical that in 2009 the NZRL would sell 'The Kiwis' brand to News Ltd for a multi-million dollar sum, wiping out their crippling debt, and for 'The Kiwis' to become the first privately owned franchise team in international league, dropping any association with the nation that spawned them. And now 'The' Kiwis have risen to dominate the international scene, with a legion of international fans.
As one fan of 'The Kiwis' puts it: "I'd select an arab from Timbuktoo as long as we beat Australia!"

Lol! Brilliant post, KL. :lol:

Yeh lol not bad.

it is very interesting to see what bitterness can bring up.

the kiwis 2010
the kiwis have just lost another test to australia by 40 points to. this is truely embarrassing and one of the darkest days in the history of new zealand league. To think this could have been avoided if the nzrl had not denied the rights of rovelli,luck.kirk to play for the kiwis causing a massive boycott by leading players like sonny bill williams and benji marshall in support of their fellow kiwis. I for one hope this is never repeated in the history of the game.

the future can be painted 2 ways and both can be just as bad.

 

[Kiwi League_old]

The future can be painted two ways? I'd say the future could go a number of different ways. Neither will be as you or I have outlined. My post was meant to highlight what could happen if the current attitudes currently pervading NZ league were to be taken to their absolute extreme.
I hope you are joking Esoj. I seriously do.
I was joking - I do not think the future will go that way. Already there are rumblings about what is happening; if the scenario I outlined ever came to pass, there would be a revolution long before 2010.

Luck, Rovelli, Kirk etc.....they are not Kiwis mate. No way. They are professional league players plying their trade in another country to further their careers. If we cannot develop NZers and need to rely on these imports, then the NZRL is in a major crisis.

There's been a bit of talk about bitterness in regards to my posting, which leaves me non-plussed. I would suggest that your response is bitter in nature as there is no humour attached to it in any way. You epitomise the 'win at all costs' nature that I loathe. What is the point of supporting the Kiwi's if they are winning but end up losing everything that made them special in the first place? It will be a very hollow success if anything I wrote in the initial post actually happens.

 

[Skinny_Ravs82]

And the story continues on...why can't people just let this go?
For one I very much doubt you'll ever catch Ravs near the Kiwis (as much as I am a major fan of the guy I don't know or see that happening). It's been all said and done. Forget about it. A real Kiwis fans sticks by their side and doesn't get all hairy fairy about this on a regular basis.

 

[Esoj_old]

very well said ravs it is like talking to a brick wall sometimes. some people will never be happy until every aussie born player that wants to play for the kiwis is denied selection simply on that basis.

the truth of the matter is that we would lose by 40 points every test. the batercard cup standard is no way near the nrl and that is where a lot of our players would be coming from in the born in nz situation.

it's not a matter of wining at all costs, I just want to see the best kiwi team possible play and if that means we have to look overseas to some guys that want to play for the kiwis then so be it.

 

[Skinny_Ravs82]

Well I for one wouldn't want the Kiwis to get beaten by 50 odd points ever again even if we had all kiwis in the team.

 

[Skinny_Ravs82]

Ok this is a thought. There are those who are absolute true blue kiwi supporters. They see blank and white through and through. Awsome. Brilliant.
But...there are also Kiwis fans who are a little different. They follow the team just as hardy, but in a time when eigibility rules are under serious scrunity they are happy to pave the way for others. Feel welcoming.

Both sets of fans are great; there is just one problem. A true Blue Kiwis Supporter looks at the Half hearted Hardy Kiwi Supporter and says:
"How can you be so welcoming of these traitor Aussies? They are going to ruin us!"

So now that is the question. Are some of us still considered Kiwi Supporters if we're happy to have a sprinkle of Aussies?

 

[commonsense_old]

"2 minutes remaining on the clock...Webster plays the ball back to hooker Fien.....he comes back to left and finds Rovelli....Rovelli's taken in a two man tackle, but manages to link up with Luck, who transfers the ball out to Aidan Kirk in space. Kirk kicks through and Michael Crockett charges on to it, but is brought down 20 metres out from the line. Wade McKinnon scoots out of dummy half, hands it off to Frank Pritchard, who throws a one-handed off-load to Brent Webb; Ben Roberts is screaming for the ball, but Webb chip kicks to Tony Martin in the corner!"
"The veteran scores, and is swamped by his team-mates, Rovelli, Kirk, the skipper Fien, Luck - they're ecstatic! Coach Brian...Smith is grinning from ear to ear"
'The Kiwis' have done it! -
Let's reflect proudly on how 'The Kiwis' achieved this remarkable success:
In 2008 the NZRL successfully appealed to the International board to remove the 3 year residency rule, on the grounds that this farcical rule was preventing Australian's living in NZ, (who would inevitably play for 'The Kiwis' anyway), from achieving their birth-right.
The NZRL were taking their cue from NZ fans, who had become totally ambivalent towards who was representing them, and would mindlessly intone 'Carrol/Thorn' against any opposition.
Thereafter, it was logical that in 2009 the NZRL would sell 'The Kiwis' brand to News Ltd for a multi-million dollar sum, wiping out their crippling debt, and for 'The Kiwis' to become the first privately owned franchise team in international league, dropping any association with the nation that spawned them. And now 'The' Kiwis have risen to dominate the international scene, with a legion of international fans.
As one fan of 'The Kiwis' puts it: "I'd select an arab from Timbuktoo as long as we beat Australia!"

Lol! Brilliant post, KL. :lol:

Yeh lol not bad.

it is very interesting to see what bitterness can bring up.

the kiwis 2010
the kiwis have just lost another test to australia by 40 points to. this is truely embarrassing and one of the darkest days in the history of new zealand league. To think this could have been avoided if the nzrl had not denied the rights of rovelli,luck.kirk to play for the kiwis causing a massive boycott by leading players like sonny bill williams and benji marshall in support of their fellow kiwis. I for one hope this is never repeated in the history of the game.

the future can be painted 2 ways and both can be just as bad.

i do hope your kidding too mate.

kiwi league i totally agree with you mate. to an extent of course. there are guys like the cayless bros, webster, pritchard etc. who have kiwi parents and are kiwi themselves but are born in australia. they are should easily be given the right to play for NZ.

with guys like webb, martin and fein, it really opens up a lot of controversy. some players might think they wont have a chance to play for australia or origin so they can join the warriors for a few years and BANG... shortcut to rep footy.
that is my fear.

but all this has been said before. im getting tired of it to be honest.

 

[AmeriKiwi_old]

Just reading about the debate over and over again is tiring... League is an international sport and that means players from different nations playing wherever they want and/or are offered a contract. Nothing wrong with it at all.

 

[warriorfaithful*_old]

So now that is the question. Are some of us still considered Kiwi Supporters if we're happy to have a sprinkle of Aussies?

Yeah i believe so. I mean if your happy to support the kiwis with a sprinkle of aussies(who are eligible for NZ) then you are a supporter because your supporting them still arent you.

 

[shawry_old]

seems like people are getting edgy and stuff with this debate and i read all the backwards and forwards stuff so i will throw this in here now......

WHO WILL BE MAN OF THE MATCH IN TRI NATIONS OPENER?

if nz win i will say jones webb or asotasi
if aust win i will say lockyer smith or civoniceva...