General The Battle for Mt Smart Stadium

Should the Warriors remain at Mt Smart?

  • Yes

    Votes: 62 79.5%
  • No

    Votes: 12 15.4%
  • Move to another province

    Votes: 4 5.1%

  • Total voters
    78

jonno

Warriors 1st Grader
Jul 13, 2014
9,803
I reckon Auckland is getting sick of watching these guys embarrass the city over and over again...

And now we're called the NZ Warriors, so the whole country is involved in this absence of sanity?

We're already pushing shit up hill with the Union worship here in NZ. But we don't have to make life impossible for ourselves surely...
 

Play The Ball

1st Grade Fringe
Jun 8, 2015
1,303
I can't see the Warriors going anywhere. No council would seriously take on the Mad Butcher's public persona and Eric Watson's money.
If the Butcher is serious (and he seems ready to fight) about standing for mayor should the council attempt to follow through on moving the Warriors to QBE we all know who the next mayor of Auckland will be.
It would be political suicide for the sitting council.
 

snake77

Warriors 1st Grader
Jul 12, 2013
8,908
He needs to change his name by deed poll before running for Mayor. The honourable Mad Butcher would go well along with Sir Mad instead of Sir Peter.;)

The media when the stadium changes were first brought up seemed to be geared towards the Warriors being the people standing in the way. The longer things drag out and the Warriors side of their dealings with the council come out and the more the media look at the council/RFA's plans. The media articles are now getting more towards the Warriors side.
 

Miket12

Warriors 1st Grader
Apr 20, 2012
8,864
According to this article, the Warriors are set to stay at Mt Smart and will pay part of the cost to refurbish the stadium. It's says a new lease will be signed before the start of the next season!!!!!

Warriors set to stay at Mt Smart Stadium
8:28 AM Sunday Dec 6, 2015

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The Warriors are set to stay at Mt Smart - at least for the next 15 years or so. Photo / Getty Images.
The Warriors are set to stay at Mt Smart - at least for the next 15 years or so.

Nothing has yet been agreed, but it's believed the Warriors and Regional Facilities Auckland have been discussing a new 10-year lease for the NRL club after their current deal expires in 2018.

It's a significant turnaround from earlier this year, when the Warriors fate seemed sealed and they were going to be moved from their long-time home at the end of the 2018 season.

They were granted a stay of execution - when Auckland Councillors agreed to their request in May to take another year to examine all of the options - and now it appears there has been a pronounced change in thinking.

The previous arrangement, which saw the Warriors being moved to QBE Stadium in Albany and speedway becoming the principal tenants at Mt Smart, is now down the list of likely options.

It's more probable that speedway will remain at Western Springs for a few years beyond its current lease (2016), before moving to an alternative venue. The proposed cricket oval at Western Springs is still on the agenda but may not happen within the original timeframe.

After discussions over the past six months, the Warriors and RFA have moved much closer to an understanding. There is a recognition that Mt Smart needs a facelift - although not at the extreme cost previously touted, between $40 and $70 million.

And the Warriors are believed to be willing to contribute to the cost of upgrading the Penrose venue to bring it up to standard with other NRL club venues in Australia. It's expected any new deal will be agreed before the start of the upcoming NRL season.

The change in direction has been facilitated by RFA chief executive Chris Brooks, who has taken a much more consultative approach than his predecessor Robert Domm.

"We have been having some really good discussion with the Warriors about post-2018," Brooks told Newstalk ZB yesterday. "We are not to an endpoint [but agreeing a new lease] is a likely outcome that will occur next year."

Brooks was appointed in mid March and has spent the last nine months consulting with stakeholders, from professional sporting clubs to community groups. He said the overall direction of the strategy - optimising the use of Auckland stadiums and reducing the burden on ratepayers - had not changed but the way it is implemented will.

Brooks also signalled speedway will shift from Western Springs to a yet to be determined venue.

"Ultimately, speedway, for the growth and future of its sport, probably needs to find a new home," said Brooks. "We have two or three options that we are looking at at the moment."

The RFA's stadium strategy has had many incarnations since it was first developed in 2012, but the latest is perhaps the most logical. The original plan called for the Warriors to move to Eden Park, which was always going to be an ambitious idea. It remains an unpopular venue among league fans due to the distance from the action and is bereft of atmosphere unless it is more than half full. It is also, by far, the most expensive stadium to rent in the country and has cumbersome resource management act restrictions.

A subsequent favoured option called for QBE Stadium, which has major access issues and is located far from the league heartlands in West and South Auckland, to become the Warriors home, including the (surely fanciful) idea of a retractable roof at a cost of just $12 million.

The current plan seems to make the most sense. Retain Mt Smart for the medium-term future, while investigating the long-term possibility of a rectangular stadium in central Auckland.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11556705
 

Miket12

Warriors 1st Grader
Apr 20, 2012
8,864
One of the "rumours" I've heard is the Jim Doyle/the Warriors asked a number of Australian clubs to have their home/away games in NZ to show the Auckland Council that the Warriors would be supported at games not held in Auckland - trying to back their argument that they would relocate to another centre and still be supported.

The thing is, I didn't put much faith in that rumour because:
1. The Aussie clubs don't need to help the Warriors out - it doesn't matter to them where the Warriors are based in NZ.
2. Decisions on the stadiums in Auckland were going to be made before the start of the season and the support the Warriors received at other venues wouldn't have counted towards the lease discussions with the Council.
 

surfin

Warriors 1st Grader
May 9, 2012
6,002
Coromandel
One of the "rumours" I've heard is the Jim Doyle/the Warriors asked a number of Australian clubs to have their home/away games in NZ to show the Auckland Council that the Warriors would be supported at games not held in Auckland - trying to back their argument that they would relocate to another centre and still be supported.

The thing is, I didn't put much faith in that rumour because:
1. The Aussie clubs don't need to help the Warriors out - it doesn't matter to them where the Warriors are based in NZ.
2. Decisions on the stadiums in Auckland were going to be made before the start of the season and the support the Warriors received at other venues wouldn't have counted towards the lease discussions with the Council.


Plus it actually looks like Chris Brooks the new RFA boss has actually got a brain, rather than an idiot bureacrat merely quoting ridiculous figures as facts, with a very stereotypical attitude that I know better than all you simpletons, so what I says goes. Combined with Lord Jims ability to work through processes, looks like we're on another winner. Top it off with a competitive season and good crowds and things are looking bright.
 

bruce

Warriors 1st Grader
Contributor
Sep 1, 2015
16,061
Plus it actually looks like Chris Brooks the new RFA boss has actually got a brain, rather than an idiot bureacrat merely quoting ridiculous figures as facts,
Domm wasn't up to it for sure, but that also belies the problem the Auckland Council has got itself into. Mount Smart was a white elephant set up for the 1990 Commonwealth Games (aren't most games stadiums white elephants?), North Harbour was controversial right from the start it is a bloody sick white elephant. Eden Park is an even bigger white elephant thanks to Helen Clark and her promises to get the 2011 RWC to NZ. John Banks was Mayor at the time and was dead against Auckland City money being spent on the place.

A principle of business is not to throw good money after bad, only politicians do that. So they have been throwing money away for years on these places and it has to stop.
 
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snake77

Warriors 1st Grader
Jul 12, 2013
8,908
It was great to see the headlines in the Herald today. The stadium issues has been silent for a few months which could have been cause for alarm. But it looks like no news was good news as progress was being made.

Doyle dealing with the council would have made a big difference. A new face from the club to build a new relationship with RFA and his views when speaking about this publicly shows he would have dissected their funding figures or research pretty hard. The Brooks guy quoted in the article sounds like a new leader for RFA; he also sounds a lot more reasonable than the last guy.

A long term lease is good to hear and some upgrades to the stadium will be nice to see.
 
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Horriors2014

1st Grade Fringe
Mar 16, 2014
1,315
Finally some sanity! So does this mean Auckland is going to save up for a stadium in the vicinity of the CDB?
 
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Miket12

Warriors 1st Grader
Apr 20, 2012
8,864
sure, but theyll build it OVAL to accomodate for the 2 x domestic cricket games a year
Heaven forbid - surely not even Auckland Council would be that dumb!!!!

Moving forward:
1. Upgrade Mt Smart
2. Lord Jim to become Mayor and the Butch to become Minister of Sport
3. New waterfront/international stadium on the Tank Farm site

My new Christmas list since Santa already filled my RTS and Bully wishes!
 

mt.wellington

Warriors Orange Peeler
Jun 21, 2012
22,510
Mt. Wellington, Auckland
Domm wasn't up to it for sure, but that also belies the problem the Auckland Council has got itself into. Mount Smart was a white elephant set up for the 1990 Commonwealth Games (aren't most games stadiums white elephants?), North Harbour was controversial right from the start it is a bloody sick white elephant. Eden Park is an even bigger white elephant thanks to Helen Clark and her promises to get the 2011 RWC to NZ. John Banks was Mayor at the time and was dead against Auckland City money being spent on the place.

A principle of business is not to throw good money after bad, only politicians do that. So they have been throwing money away for years on these places and it has to stop.
This decision, a fairly easy common sense one, just goes to show how incompetent Robert Domm was. Thank God sanity has prevailed and someone with at least half a brain has been put in charge. Before he left Domm actually tried to rush through the final stages of his RFA recommmendations and get the thing fully rubber stamped and enacted. History will show how ridiculous his plan was to have two unused cricket ovals, demolish the East Stand at Mt Smart to accomodate the speedway track and move the Warriors to QBE. I still laugh at his 'roofed' sweetner which sounded good until you realised it was merely a tarp.

A move to either QBE or Eden Park would have crippled the club financially. Remaining at Mt Smart is the best way forward for the club. The fans also benefit from not having to watch the game from afar in an oval stadium or suffer the distance and poorer facilities over the shore.

Still yet to be ratified but I hope we can extend our lease as the vast majority of members preferred. Be great news if Jim Doyle can get this over the line...
 

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