General South Sydney Rabbitohs Hc - Michael Maguire In Auckalnd

[ramraider78]

Michael Maguire south sydney rabbitohs coach is meeting prospective players, families and general public at the Wanderers Pub in Mangere Bridge tonight at 7pm and he is running coaching sessions tommorow Friday 11 January at Otahuhu College from 2pm - 6pm.

 

[mt.wellington]

Anyone going to Oats? Might have a noisy myself.

 

[ramraider78]

From listening to Mark hughes (souths recruitment manager) they are keen to set up training development camps here in Auckland a couple times of the year and Michael Maguire has bought into it; It's pre season for all NRL clubs and a HC takes time out to come here to work with kids is amazing and they are serious about having a presence in NZ - I still believe we are the sleeping giant for talent. To see a Maguire up close was awesome and picked up a few tips lol one thing Maguire said about the success he's had at Souths is the senior players leadership group and the need to have those experience guys around - the right balance.

 

[mt.wellington]

I was wondering if anyone had gone to this?

If this is to be an annual event then I'll be the first to admit that Im worried. Should Michael Maguire come next year then he may just get lucky and pick up a player. If however he should come with Greg Inglis, Isaac Luke, Sam Burgess, etc Im afraid half our future U20's squad and the cream of the Vulcans will be on the next plane to Sydney!

This is a great initiative by the Bunnies and mirrors the efforts of the Storm down in Wellington that was first hit upon by KPWarrior in this post https://www.nzwarriorsfans.com/threads/roster-for-2013-gains-and-losses.2007/page-102#post-46378. This is only the beginning of the Aussie invasion. Let the pillaging begin.

Warriors, you have been warned...

 

[fanrrior]

I was wondering if anyone had gone to this?

If this is to be an annual event then I'll be the first to admit that Im worried. Should Michael Maguire come next year then he may just get lucky and pick up a player. If however he should come with Greg Inglis, Isaac Luke, Sam Burgess, etc Im afraid half our future U20's squad and the cream of the Vulcans will be on the next plane to Sydney!

This is a great initiative by the Bunnies and mirrors the efforts of the Storm down in Wellington that was first hit upon by KPWarrior in this post https://www.nzwarriorsfans.com/threads/roster-for-2013-gains-and-losses.2007/page-102#post-46378. This is only the beginning of the Aussie invasion. Let the pillaging begin.

Warriors, you have been warned...

On the bright side the Warrior's loss will be New Zealand's gain... and NSW too

I can see this as an opportunity for New Zealand Rugby League to thrive off this though, especially if more and more clubs start fishing in our waters. Whilst it might not be too good for the warriors at first, it will strengthen our National team, and at the very least it will add more depth. Not only that but it will generate more interest from New Zealanders in the NRL outside just the Warriors.

One thing Rugby Union has in our country that Rugby League doesn't is Union's ability to connect to all New Zealanders. Most New Zealanders can connect to a team in the ITM, Super Rugby, and/or the Heartland Championship. If they can't, then they definitely connect to the All Blacks. For League; the only well-known teams are the Warriors and the Kiwi's, two teams who's names are often muddled up. Both teams have a history of either being inconsistent at one time, or just outmatched period.

If more of our gems are playing for Australian teams slowly but surely, interest will spread across the country. One can only hope eh?

 

[slaughterhouse.sa]

From listening to Mark hughes (souths recruitment manager) they are keen to set up training development camps here in Auckland a couple times of the year and Michael Maguire has bought into it; It's pre season for all NRL clubs and a HC takes time out to come here to work with kids is amazing and they are serious about having a presence in NZ - I still believe we are the sleeping giant for talent. To see a Maguire up close was awesome and picked up a few tips lol one thing Maguire said about the success he's had at Souths is the senior players leadership group and the need to have those experience guys around - the right balance.

It is interesting, however I have heard it is was setup not by Souths but a player agent.
Which is a bit suspect - Souths are interested but sign with me.
Call me a sceptic - but I dont know why they bother labelling them training development camps - they arent interested in development one bit.
Meat markets.

Whilst Storm have those camps in Wellington - I know a few players who lead along by storm only to get looked over come NYC.

Honestly only reason I am hating there are so many top players from Auckland, in particular who go over there and come back a few years later.
The best advice these days is at least stay until U 17/U 18 - why go to Aussie to play SG ball, which only last a few months at the start of the year.

We have good enough football in auckland to wait until your ready to play 20s.

 

[slaughterhouse.sa]

Because the reality is if they want to scout the best players - all they need to do is come to Rep competitions, School Nationals or Club Age group finals

 

[Weno]

Because the reality is if they want to scout the best players - all they need to do is come to Rep competitions, School Nationals or Club Age group finals

Thats how the Roosters got Tuivasa Shek

 

[slaughterhouse.sa]

Thats how the Roosters got Tuivasa Shek

Nah I dont believe that stuff. that always get regurtiated.

Everybody was after Roger that whole season Rugby and League.
He played for Counties-manukau rep league team that won the NZ National Comp the year before.

So all that stuff not playing league or even just trying league for school nationals is lie - even if it comes from Roger himself.

But back to my point generally the creme always rises . . albiet at one form of competition or another.
However the concern for the warriors is the 16 year olds... who think it might be too hard to crack the warriors these days and go to another club.
But some of them not realising they just to remain patient etc.

 

[mt.wellington]

Nah I dont believe that stuff. that always get regurtiated.

Everybody was after Roger that whole season Rugby and League.
He played for Counties-manukau rep league team that won the NZ National Comp the year before.

So all that stuff not playing league or even just trying league for school nationals is lie - even if it comes from Roger himself.

But back to my point generally the creme always rises . . albiet at one form of competition or another.
However the concern for the warriors is the 16 year olds... who think it might be too hard to crack the warriors these days and go to another club.
But some of them not realising they just to remain patient etc.

From what I know the Roosters made the kid an offer that he couldnt refuse and the Warriors couldnt match. He was also offered a house 10 minutes from the beach and a spot at the University of Sydney. He had definately always been on the Warriors radar as well as the Blues. He was definately the cream of that years crop. There will always be others.

Others from that year include Ruebenn Rennie who is currently with the Storm and Patrick Mailata though I think Patrick is pursuing his passion for boxing. He was meant to trial with the Warriors U20's squad but chose to go with boxing. Fought Joseph Parker who headlined the Fight For Life with Richard Tutaki.

Some articles of interest...

https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/lo...ier/7653534/League-chance-given-up-for-boxing
https://www.3news.co.nz/From-the-schoolyard-to-the-NRL/tabid/415/articleID/268026/Default.aspx

 

[Sebastian]

It is interesting, however I have heard it is was setup not by Souths but a player agent.
Which is a bit suspect - Souths are interested but sign with me.
Call me a sceptic - but I dont know why they bother labelling them training development camps - they arent interested in development one bit.
Meat markets.

Whilst Storm have those camps in Wellington - I know a few players who lead along by storm only to get looked over come NYC.

Honestly only reason I am hating there are so many top players from Auckland, in particular who go over there and come back a few years later.
The best advice these days is at least stay until U 17/U 18 - why go to Aussie to play SG ball, which only last a few months at the start of the year.

We have good enough football in auckland to wait until your ready to play 20s.

Wise words. Stay here, define your worth, then play the market. Unfortunately most kids have the gen y disease see the bucks and will disappear over the edge of the earth to chase them.

I also don't want any clubs taking any future Warrior stars. Is the Aussie talent that bad? Lol.

 

[Sup42]

League is at it's Peak when the Warriors and the kiwis go well.

A favorable look at this latest Promo by the Pride of the league Sending their Coach would See it as a chance for League to move to another level if the Rest of the NRL Coaching staff decided to come grab a couple of tomorrows Benji Marshalls , Brad Thorns , Carmichael Hunt, SBW's, and James Tamous........then the NRL would add a whole new angle for the fans.....somewhat like the NBA Draft.....people taking an interest as we are now in who's the next big thing.

Whatever........the thing is if they start waiving contracts in front of the kids playing Union and other sports it could get really interesting for Leagues profile here and a whole new avenue for the kiwi selectors when the creme of sports here gets some Aussie backing.

In a way it is like Australia is paying to develop our National team.

 

[fanrrior]

League is at it's Peak when the Warriors and the kiwis go well.

A favorable look at this latest Promo by the Pride of the league Sending their Coach would See it as a chance for League to move to another level if the Rest of the NRL Coaching staff decided to come grab a couple of tomorrows Benji Marshalls , Brad Thorns , Carmichael Hunt, SBW's, and James Tamous........then the NRL would add a whole new angle for the fans.....somewhat like the NBA Draft.....people taking an interest as we are now in who's the next big thing.

Whatever........the thing is if they start waiving contracts in front of the kids playing Union and other sports it could get really interesting for Leagues profile here and a whole new avenue for the kiwi selectors when the creme of sports here gets some Aussie backing.

In a way it is like Australia is paying to develop our National team.

Great minds think alike

 

[Sebastian]

League is at it's Peak when the Warriors and the kiwis go well.

A favorable look at this latest Promo by the Pride of the league Sending their Coach would See it as a chance for League to move to another level if the Rest of the NRL Coaching staff decided to come grab a couple of tomorrows Benji Marshalls , Brad Thorns , Carmichael Hunt, SBW's, and James Tamous........then the NRL would add a whole new angle for the fans.....somewhat like the NBA Draft.....people taking an interest as we are now in who's the next big thing.

Whatever........the thing is if they start waiving contracts in front of the kids playing Union and other sports it could get really interesting for Leagues profile here and a whole new avenue for the kiwi selectors when the creme of sports here gets some Aussie backing.

In a way it is like Australia is paying to develop our National team.

Sure, it may somehow help some future Kiwi team. But really it's already like that, heading that way. With the way things are going it won't need much help.

Also i got to admit my hearts with the Warriors. I want a Premiership at the Warriors, before anything. It would be greater watching the Warriors holding the trophy, with players we all know and love. Rather than anything the Kiwi's hold up, the Kiwis is like the bonus for me.

My love is for the Warriors, above anything else. I want those potential names to be playing in a Warriors jersey. And that way if there really any good they'll end up Kiwi's anyway.

 

[mt.wellington]

Sure, it may somehow help some future Kiwi team. But really it's already like that, heading that way. With the way things are going it won't need much help.

Also i got to admit my hearts with the Warriors. I want a Premiership at the Warriors, before anything. It would be greater watching the Warriors holding the trophy, with players we all know and love. Rather than anything the Kiwi's hold up, the Kiwis is like the bonus for me.

My love is for the Warriors, above anything else. I want those potential names to be playing in a Warriors jersey. And that way if there really any good they'll end up Kiwi's anyway.

I feel the same way. I must admit to feelings of frustration and even jealousy when I see the likes of Roger Tuivasa-Shek slipping through the net and playing for another team. The Warriors it seems has a knack for letting the best of them go. Players like Nigel Vagana, $BW, Ali Lauitiiti and both the Pauls brothers to name just afew. The reality is sometimes shit just happens. Some players for whatever reason dont prosper until they go somewhere else. Others may just leave for their own personal reasons. And sometimes the Warriors just get it really really wrong (as with Ali and the Pauls but I could go on and on about that so I'll leave it. Still a sore point!)

Just remember that every club does it. Even just recent history is still littered with examples of clubs doing so. Bulldogs had Thurston at their doorstep. Roosters let go of James Tamou opting to invest in Stanley Waqa. Stanley went on to play 8-9 games for the Roosters before being suspended for assaulting his girlfriend. The charges were later dismissed but his career never recovered after that. Tamou of course went on to become arguably the best prop in the NRL and I predict will cement his place as the best in the world this season (wont go there over Tamou's International eligibility!) There are plenty of others but those are 2 quick examples.

Anyway, my point is Sebastian, it happens. And sadly it will continue to happen. All we can do is give the Warriors a blast then carry on supporting the team we do have. Lets just hope our new Junior Recruitment and Pathways Coach Stacey Jones has a handle on these things. In Stacey we trust...

 

[ramraider78]

It is interesting, however I have heard it is was setup not by Souths but a player agent.
Which is a bit suspect - Souths are interested but sign with me.
Call me a sceptic - but I dont know why they bother labelling them training development camps - they arent interested in development one bit.
Meat markets.

Whilst Storm have those camps in Wellington - I know a few players who lead along by storm only to get looked over come NYC.

Honestly only reason I am hating there are so many top players from Auckland, in particular who go over there and come back a few years later.
The best advice these days is at least stay until U 17/U 18 - why go to Aussie to play SG ball, which only last a few months at the start of the year.

We have good enough football in auckland to wait until your ready to play 20s.

I saw the player agent there do a speech that night and was sceptic myself because of the boys who were invited, some of them were not the cream of the crop so an assistant in the drills was saying to me. Souths said they were back here in april for another camp which I hope they open it up more to other kids. IMO I just want some other kids to be able to connect with another nrl club in some way - these kids being the ones from big low income families, who can't jump on the plane and go over to trial for a NRL 20's side. Some of our clubs age group coaches went along and picked up some useful tips from the wrestling drills they ran and plays around the ruck - stuff they do around Issac luke, which left the big boys playing spectators on the field lol.

I love the warriors all day but if kids from my local club and area can get another chance to impress a nrl club then I'm all for it - they did sign a kid who tagged along on thursday and jumped in to make the numbers, age group footy rep but not the best in that position in a few punters opinions.

 

[ramraider78]

From what I know the Roosters made the kid an offer that he couldnt refuse and the Warriors couldnt match. He was also offered a house 10 minutes from the beach and a spot at the University of Sydney. He had definately always been on the Warriors radar as well as the Blues. He was definately the cream of that years crop. There will always be others.

Others from that year include Ruebenn Rennie who is currently with the Storm and Patrick Mailata though I think Patrick is pursuing his passion for boxing. He was meant to trial with the Warriors U20's squad but chose to go with boxing. Fought Joseph Parker who headlined the Fight For Life with Richard Tutaki.

Some articles of interest...

https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/lo...ier/7653534/League-chance-given-up-for-boxing
https://www.3news.co.nz/From-the-schoolyard-to-the-NRL/tabid/415/articleID/268026/Default.aspx

I know Patrick from boxing, he's got a union back ground, really good boxer but a waste IMO. I told him league has more opportunities , boxing is one in a million chance to get to the top from NZ, 2011 - he had Manly interested in him turned them down to box, only joined the school league team to make up numbers lol

 

[BiggerD]

Redfern is a Dump. Don't move there

 

[Xfactor]

Wise words. Stay here, define your worth, then play the market. Unfortunately most kids have the gen y disease see the bucks and will disappear over the edge of the earth to chase them.

I also don't want any clubs taking any future Warrior stars. Is the Aussie talent that bad? Lol.

Aussie talent pool is drying up because Aussie parents don't want their much smaller kids playing against huge Kiwi/Polynesian kids and inevitably getting hurt!
The AFL drive into the Aussie school system is powerful and impressive, and parents are taking notice.
AFL is essentially All-Australian and is a reason it draws such massive crowds that have a deep 'connection' with it's players.
I have concerns about a time when all the Aussie NRL teams have been flooded with Kiwi/Poly players because it was the only way to keep the competition going.
I can't see the majority of Australian league lovers following an ozzie club FULL of imports.
It has nothing to do with race......it is about identity!
For that reason alone, they should work on adding another Kiwi team to the competition sooner rather than later.

 

[OMG]

Aussie talent pool is drying up because Aussie parents don't want their much smaller kids playing against huge Kiwi/Polynesian kids and inevitably getting hurt!
The AFL drive into the Aussie school system is powerful and impressive, and parents are taking notice.
AFL is essentially All-Australian and is a reason it draws such massive crowds that have a deep 'connection' with it's players.
I have concerns about a time when all the Aussie NRL teams have been flooded with Kiwi/Poly players because it was the only way to keep the competition going.
I can't see the majority of Australian league lovers following an ozzie club FULL of imports.
It has nothing to do with race......it is about identity!
For that reason alone, they should work on adding another Kiwi team to the competition sooner rather than later.

The first statement is wrong and the 2nd statement is a bit of a myth, for starters kids footy has never been stronger in OZ, excerpt from 2011 state of the game which I believe there is a story somewhere claiming a 7% increase on 2011 numbers.
• Over 1.5 million students will be engaged in Rugby League through Primary and High School based programs
in 2011, with the game already engaging 906,000 students by the end of July.
• Rugby League is on track to create a new record with more than 480,000 children expected to participate in
the game across clubs and schools in 2011.
• A record 163,000 registrations in weekend Club Rugby League has been recorded:
- 72,406 participants registered in the 6-12 years age groups, the highest in the history of the game.
- Female participation increased 9% in 2011 to 4,824 participants.
• Record participation in regular school competitions of 132,692 students (up 2% from the 2010 record).
• Students playing in formal gala days increased 6% to 184,425.
• In Western Sydney, 75% of schools participated in a Rugby League experience
https://www.rugbyleague.com.au/nrl/2011_state_of_the_game.pdf

Personally I don't know of too many parents that are scared of their children getting hurt, it's usually the child that wants to play sport with his mates that makes the decision on what they play.
There is a whole heap of big white kids too in OZ and NZ and Aussie probably have more Polys living here now than NZ.
IMO I would love to see another NZ team but believe that Perth must have a team first to truly grow the game, places like Central Coast,Ipswich and Central Queensland have massive player catchments and ready made fan bases so it is hard to see us getting another team unless it's a 22 team comp.