General Should the Warriors move out of Auckland-debate

Skinny_Ravs82

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Well the title says it all!

Get your thoughts written down and stake your claim. Are you FOR or AGAINST the club moving out of Auckland?

Have fun!

Ps-don't personal abuse another poster, give them constructive critism. If you want to go after a member personally please do that via pm.

Thank you and happy debating!!
 

JonB_old

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If a rugby league franchise can not surive in Auckland (it is on a down hill slide at the moment), it can't survive in Christchurch, Wellington, Dunedin or Timaru or Napier or Hastings or Hamilton.
Smaller markets less money, less juniors less history.
 

Northern_Union

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Thats the thing though, i don't think any of us are saying to move permiently....we're saying move SOME games around the country because the club is the NEW ZEALAND Warriors.
 

warriorfaithful*_old

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No i think the warriors should stay at ericson! Im based in christchurch but im happy with the games being in auckland. We get our annual game against the tigers anyway lol. And every team needs to have a one home ground i dont think you can have a team moving around every week! You see teams like the NZ Breakers(basketball) they have one home ground and same with the NZ Knights(soccer). So im for the warriors staying in auckland just as long as you aucklanders turn up to the games on behalf of the rest of NZ who arent as lucky to have the warriors based in there province lol.
 

Skinny_Ravs82

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RS_Dragon said:
Thats the thing though, i don't think any of us are saying to move permiently....we're saying move SOME games around the country because the club is the NEW ZEALAND Warriors.

that's what I put this here for. So you can talk abut every faset in relation to it. :D
 

2big2strong_old

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yeah i think there is too many 'home games' played at erricson, do we host any home games elsewhere? Parramatta host a game at hamilton, tigers - chch, bulldogs have home games in wellington and gold coast. and yet the NEW ZEALAND warriors don't move outside a stale, unapreciative Auckland. even if they 'host' a game elsewhere eg. Central coast NSW, we're still going to be making more money than a pitifull erricson
 

2big2strong_old

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i don't think some of you realise that it is a HUGE financial basis to my argument. we are currently losing up to $40k a home game, fact, and Wayne Scurah has already indicated that we won't be anywhere near our salary CAP, not because we might go over but because we cant afford to go anywhere near it!!! if we can take at least 5-7 home games a year elsewhere, we'll be putting money in the bank to spend on keeping our talent here, and aquiring overseas talent to our shores.

Money people money
 

2big2strong_old

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Skinny_Ravs82 said:
2black2strong said:
bulldogs have home games in wellington

that partnership ended last year or the year before I think

ok, so why aren't we playing games there instead i just checked westpac stadiums stats and we were getting 20,000 plus on average in wellington, WHEN WE WERE LOSING!!!
 

Skinny_Ravs82

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2black2strong said:
Skinny_Ravs82 said:
2black2strong said:
bulldogs have home games in wellington

that partnership ended last year or the year before I think

ok, so why aren't we playing games there instead i just checked westpac stadiums stats and we were getting 20,000 plus on average in wellington, WHEN WE WERE LOSING!!!

When you don't get a game every weekend (or two when the warriors go acros to aussie) then of course people go. Why wouldn't they? It's nothing they get to see live that often. Where as in Auckland, you know it's on every weekend.
 

2big2strong_old

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16 Apr NRL Bulldogs vs Warriors 13,745
23 May NRL Raiders vs Warriors 13,130
2 May NRL Bulldogs vs Warriors 22,000
20 Apr NRL Bulldogs vs Warriors 24,200
7 Apr NRL - Bulldogs vs Warriors 28,212

thats the stats of the last 5 games we have played in Wellington, makes our all time attendance record at erricson look like a joke
 

2big2strong_old

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Skinny_Ravs82 said:
When you don't get a game every weekend (or two when the warriors go acros to aussie) then of course people go. Why wouldn't they? It's nothing they get to see live that often. Where as in Auckland, you know it's on every weekend.

exactly my point, if you take that mentallity away, people are gonn start coming back to the games when they ARE played there, know what i mean? i'm saying we keep erricson as our home ground but take, maybe every 3rd or 4th home game on the road
 

2big2strong_old

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29 Jan AFL Aussie Rules: Western Bulldogs vs Hawthorn 11,666

hahahah, even the gay f.l. are getting bigger crowds in NZ than the league, that's poor
 

Skinny_Ravs82

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2black2strong said:
29 Jan AFL Aussie Rules: Western Bulldogs vs Hawthorn 11,666

hahahah, even the gay f.l. are getting bigger crowds in NZ than the league, that's poor

FACT: BORN AND BREN MELBOURNENITES KNOW NOTHING ELSE BUT THAT.
 

Iafeta_old

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You get 12 home games per year.

I think 8 should be played in Auckland.

2 in Wellington.

1 in Christchurch.

1 in Hamilton.

Aside from this though, the Warriors Marketing Management badly need to try and identify something that is obviously lacking in the Warriors general environment. Tribalism. It's a totally different feel in Auckland as opposed to here in Sydney. People live and breathe league here. They support their sides through thick and thin.

You take a good look at Brisbane and Newcastle, through thick and thin they get 20-30,000 to each home game. Why? It's a distinct view of tribalism. Defending one's honour, their territory. They associate with the club and bind with it in a pact.

There is no reason why the Warriors cannot do the same. However, the Warriors marketing team need to do some work with perhaps focus groups, or some form of outside sourced marketing surveys - online or phone or a combination whereby they can ask specific questions that give them the answers they need to know. Such things as

Why do people view union as superior to league?
What is different going to a Blues game than a Warriors game?
What do people want to see at a Warriors game?
What do people want to see in terms of entertainment at a Warriors game?
How could the Warriors change their image to be associated in a tribal sense with Aucklanders?

They need to define their marketing research plan well - define the problem, define the best way to get the information required, gather the information, and analyse and implement strategies off that research. Without that, the Warriors will not gain larger crowds.

However, that said, 8,200 with 3 on the trot, 66-0 the previous week, a one city one country team with no test matches from the opposing code that weekend, it's downright disgraceful. With that, the Warriors immediately need to analyse their schedule for next year including locating games elsewhere. If they don't make changes to their marketing strategy, or scheduling, or better, both, the Warriors will continue to run up $2m defecits per year, and there's only so much even a man like Eric Watson can take - he is after, a profitable entrepreneur who whilst loving the club will eventually want a return on his investment.
 

Northern_Union

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If the Auckland crowds don't appreciate the Warriors then take games off them and give games to the rest of us who will appreciate the team.
Keep Mt Smart as the home ground and play say.....5 to 6 games there but take the rest of the games on the road.
 

2big2strong_old

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Skinny_Ravs82 said:
2black2strong said:
29 Jan AFL Aussie Rules: Western Bulldogs vs Hawthorn 11,666

hahahah, even the gay f.l. are getting bigger crowds in NZ than the league, that's poor

FACT: BORN AND BREN MELBOURNENITES KNOW NOTHING ELSE BUT THAT.

what? you're posts haven't made any sense lately, that game was played in Wellington, New Zealand. Not Melbourne, Australia
 

Becs_old

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As Skinny Ravs said they turn up for one off games in Welly but would they turn up week in week out...I doubt it. Hurricanes were struggling at times to get a decent crowd
 

Iafeta_old

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Were they?

The understanding I have is the Hurricane supporters came to the Caketin win lose or draw, although obviously more when the team was on a roll. They associated with the team in a general sense, that much I noticed during my time in the Hurricanes catchment.

It'd be illogical to relocate completely to Wellington, but to hold 2 games there per year is certainly in my eyes do-able and may drive the market equilibrium higher resulted in higher demand due to lowering supply. Less opportunities to take, more chance people will take it.
 

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